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To: oldtimer2
Fantastic article. I am a Black Belt in statistics and have always thought this about a phenomenon with so many variables. Any process with more than 10 factors is very difficult to analyze and correlate strongly with 1 factor strongly. In Global warming where we have 100's of factors, none of which we can be absolutely certain about, it is absurd to be able to link warming to one factor. The article explains it very coherently and is an excellent common sense way to explain this to our liberal friends. Oops sorry, I nearly forgot; liberals are devoid of common sense and feel their way through life !
8 posted on 01/16/2007 5:59:16 AM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: Maneesh

liberals are devoid of common sense and feel their way through life !

*****

Recognizing this is the first step to engaging a lib in something resembling a conversation. Logic is perceived as a threat to them, so all questions must be phrased in a "how do you feel when..." or "how do you feel about..." style.

Ex: How do you feel about China's increasing prosperity?
[Leading in to China's huge use of high sulfur coal-fired factories]


24 posted on 01/16/2007 6:52:13 AM PST by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: Maneesh
The article explains it very coherently and is an excellent common sense way to explain this to our liberal friends. Oops sorry, I nearly forgot; liberals are devoid of common sense and feel their way through life !

The moment you mention statistical probability, their eyes will glaze over.

38 posted on 01/16/2007 7:23:58 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Maneesh
NOAA 'Urban Heat Island' "Adjustment"
Courtesy of NOAA

It's from this page. Kind of frustrating, isn't it?

107 posted on 01/16/2007 3:42:16 PM PST by sig226 (See my profile for the democrat culture of corruption list.)
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To: Maneesh; oldtimer2
Fantastic article. I am a Black Belt in statistics

Then you must have noticed that the author of this article doesn't really understand statistics at all.

He states that if we multiply 100 variables, each "known to an accuracy of 99%", that the result has only 36.6% accuracy.

He confuses probability with the (somewhat vague) concept of "accuracy". He attempts to determine the accuracy of a computation involving the multiplication of 100 variables. He does not seem to have a clear definition for "accuracy" and the computation he performs is effectively meaningless.

It is true that if each of the 100 measurements was 1% too small, the computed result would be 36.6% of the true value. But this number has nothing to do with a 1/3 probability as Mr. Lewis states.

Suppose we have 100 independent random variables, with an underlying distribution that allows errors of at most 1% in each variable. How do these errors combine when we multiply the variables together? In general a lot of the errors will be in opposite directions and "cancel out" so that the error in the total product will only grow approximately as the square root of the number of terms. In other words with 100 variables with random 1% errors, we would expect an error of about 10% in the product, which the author of this piece would define as "90% accuracy".

Of course in a real world example we can't guarantee that all the variables are independent. Also the result of the model would be some complicated function of the variables rather than a simple product as Mr. Lewis assumes. Nevertheless it is clear that Mr. Lewis has violated the first rule of scientific criticism, that the critic should know something about the subject he is talking about.

114 posted on 01/16/2007 9:37:26 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Maneesh

I read a science fiction book called "Fallen Angel". It takes place in a near future world where Canada and the Northern US are being overrun by glaciers. The cause was that we were so aggressive in combatting global warming that we ended up lighting the fuse on an ice age.

Point is, sometimes doing NOTHING is the best course.


127 posted on 01/17/2007 9:30:21 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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To: Maneesh
In Global warming where we have 100's of factors, none of which we can be absolutely certain about, it is absurd to be able to link warming to one factor.

The article ignores the fact that climate scientists can analyze the effects of many variables and determine which are important and which aren't (as well as the time-scales on which various factors are significant). The article is anti-scientific in the sense that it doesn't allow for the ability of skillful science to actually figure some things out!

157 posted on 01/18/2007 7:52:43 AM PST by cogitator
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