Posted on 01/15/2007 2:37:16 PM PST by Enterprise
KIRKWOOD, Mo. (AP) - While his alleged kidnapper was away at work, teenager Shawn Hornbeck apparently had access to a computer, and may have put photos of himself online and posted a chilling message on a site created by his own desperate parents: "How long are you planning to look for your son?"
A series of Web postings under the name "Shawn Devlin" - Devlin is the last name of the man suspected of kidnapping Shawn and posing as his father - came to light after Shawn's rescue from an apartment in Kirkwood last week.
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They already is a new thread on free republic stateing the kidnapper had kiddie porn on his computer with sources from a newspaper
Well I read the original thread of the 2 missing boys found which is posted in activism on free republic . Another poster on that thread posted a link to a new thread which tells that the kidnapper had kiddie porn on his computer & links it to a newspaper . It should be found on the last page of the original Two Boys found missing thread ...........
The only articles I've seen on MSNBC.com and Foxnews.com is the story about Shawn Hornbeck having access to a computer. There is a posting from an English entertainment tabloid, but I take that with a grain of salt.
I'm not saying what is true and what isn't true, I don't know. But I will wait for the facts,not a bunch of people creating stories on Free Republic. Postings by freepers don't necessarily mean the are true.
How would you feel if folks were talking about your child like this?
Akers ought to get on this site and tell all of US to Leave It Be and let us take care of our boy...And I would hope to hear Akers say the Scum deserves a public hanging,,after that let's talk..
That's how I would feel..!
I do sympathize with him and that is one valid place my reasoning comes from when I say it is better to have it out there than it is to deal with rumors. I know this from experience. This is not to say it is this way in all cases.
Seems you are the one making the case as to how it should be in every example. I place no blame on him for whatever that man did to him. I place responsibility on him for not leaving when he was 15 and left alone. That was his choice andnothing you can say could ever change that fact.
Why is it that when I describe the boy's personal responsibility for his actions you try to make it seem as if I am talking about that man's personal responsibility? Do you not see the difference?
Let's look at this in another light. Are you then saying to me that had this boy, because of what he has ben thru, goes into a school and shoots three kids to death, that he is not responsible for those actions because of what was done to him by that man? That is what it sounds like to me. Feel free to correct me if I have that wrong.
Please explain how the action of not leaving, when left alone, is any different when it comes to personal responsibility?
Correction : the thread title is Missing Missouri Found Alive & That's where you can find the link to the kiddie porn freeper thread
I've pulled up to my own house and heard screams, yelling, thumping. Kids play, they scream their heads off...sometimes they get hurt and scream their heads off - the bounce around and carry on. Anyone walking by might wonder. . .but honestly the kids are fine.
I would be loathe to call the cops any time I heard a kid scream or thump, especially if they seem to be fine and at their liberty most days.
I don't know what the solution is.
I don't think that's in question here.
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I'm really getting tired of seeing this article like it is some great revelation.
I've seen his profile pages, and he hasn't posted on any of them for months.
This is something for the press to talk about.
To: A Citizen Reporter; Halls; Victoria; stlnative; Ohioan from Florida
It has now been posted:
Cops: Child Pornography Found on Mo. Kidnap Suspect's Computer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1767787/posts
1,194 posted on 01/15/2007 6:32:04 AM PST by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
Posting this for those who didn't believe the kidnapper had kiddie porn on his computer & were asking for links . Also posting for the posters who DON'T believe the boys were absused
Lordy, I was not going to engage in this but, you cannot compare a grown woman drinking in a bar to an 11 yr. old riding his bike and getting snatched!
Saying that a child who was kidnapped at 11 had a responsibility to free himself from his tormentor is just plain dumb. You are talking from an adult perspective. I'm sorry you were molested but I gather from what you wrote you WERE NOT kidnapped as well.
Children are not born with personal responsibility, they learn it as they grow up. By the time Shawn was at the age to start taking personal responsibility for his actions his head was already twisted.
THE ONE AND ONLY PERSON IN THIS STORY THAT IS TO BLAME IS THE DISGUSTING PERVERT THAT KIDNAPPED THESE BOYS!
Maybe you could explain to me why reponsibility equals blame. Funny how THAT is what you seem unwilling to engage in. I have stated quite clearly that blame and responsibility are two different things.
Yet you continue to claim I blame the victim for what the offender did. Why is that? I do no such thing and you should not say I do because it means you keep saying something that is not true.
I am under the impression that this boy had a best friend, that being true, the idea that his captor was his only link to life doesn't stand, now does it?
I know what it is like to be scared of an offender. I also know the feeling of vidication when everyone knew in no uncertain terms what that person had done.
What was I responsible for? Not speaking up sooner that I did. If I can live with and accept that reality, why can't you? My personal responsibilty for my own actions has nothing to do with with the offenders blame for what they did, do you see that now?
I did not hear that. If that is the case their parents should have shielded them they are underage.
The point I was trying to make is that the media does exploit this heartstring to create drama that keeps people watching. If anything is worth watching it is the search for a missing child. Maybe somone watching might be able to help. That would be a good thing.
I do not find fault with this action of the media.
When people do watch, some need their own sense of closure because they do become attached over time. Without that, the feeling of being left hanging is unavoidable. Next time a story comes up a person may just turn it off, they do not want go go thru that attachment again only to be left wondering. What if that was the person that had seen the trailor hitch or the white truck? See what I mean?
Follow up can be handled by the police, parents and others. I believe the children should always be left out. With the fights, what I think is newsworthy is that assualt, even mob action assault, is trending toward entertainment. Not even something to prosecute. SO much for the rule of law. Example after example where law is not enforced, I would say that the softening of our country on the fabric level is quite newsworthy.
It is only entertainment on My Space and the likes. Those beaten up should prosecute plain and simple. That is the crime.
Elimination of personal responsibility is where that trend started. Leftist zealots making excuses for why someone did something instead of just looking at what was done and seeing it for what it is. Assigning personal responsibility to each who own it and using that information to assign guilt (read:blame) in order to impose proper punishment.
In the case today, the parents were not interested in prosecuting. That is their business and the story should have ended there. There was no story except what ever someone wanted to create.
The media keeps harping about stuff appearing on the internet. So what! The internet is not at fault. Supposedly, we have freedom of speech. If anything, it is the juveniles commiting the type of crimes (assault). I believe the media has an agenda to limit the internet and we will have another nanny cause. I may not like what is on the internet but it is my responsibility as a parent to monitor it not the government's place to tell me what I can or cannot see on the internet. The latter is the direction I believe this is leading.
I'm too busy. I'm not interested in this discussion with you.
I'm with you, Guen.
I never said anything about the boy being 11. Where I assign responsibility is at age 15. Big difference between the two. Big difference.
I was not kidnapped in the sense these boys were. I was trapped however because it was the baby sitter doing it. Dissimilar but similar at the same time.
Why scream at me about the blame on the man who did this? You cannot post where I have said anything disagreeing with that.
I can gaurantee you one thing, kids can and do learn personal responsibility prior to age 11. Mine know exactly what it is and what it means because I teach it to them. Why do I teach it to them? Simple, because it is my responsibility to do so. If a parent doesn't do so, isn't that their personal responsibility to be used to hold them to account in the form of blame? You bet it is.
Neighbors heard screams, whimpering, banging etc.
But no one bothered to call the police or social services?
And from 107: I offer that hiding the truth provides a false sense of protection...Indeed, the truth shall set you free.
Perhaps you have a false sense of protection in that you have CHOSEN not to learn the truth of the story of when Shawn first went missing. Yes, he was on his bike, and he had his parents permission...to ride it to his friend's home to play (a typical very normal behavior for any boy of 11). When he hadn't returned by dark, as was his custom (not to mention he was scared of the dark), his parents called to the other boy's house. At that point it was realized that Shawn never made it to his playmate's home that day. So, I ask you, in your opinion, was his abduction Shawn's fault, his parents' fault, his friend's fault, his friend's parent's fault or the kidnapper's fault? Who bears the personal responsibility for their poor choices here? I maintain that the personal responsibility for this tragedy rests squarely on the shoulders of the kidnapper, and not one other person. You are free to disagree.
The step father said that he thought it was best left up to the boy. It has been said here that he was lorded over by his captor, I would agree with that most likely being true.
Allowing the boy to make the choice empowers him towards his own decisions does it not? Shielding him away against his will could have been harmful in that it would seem like more of the same to him. I would have to agree with you in one area, as a minor the parents are the ultimate authority.
Is it possible that leaving children out can augment the problems we see today? I wonder if shielding kids from reality is always the best thing to show them. Would it not be proper to say that they could, and do, grow up thinking that being shielded from reality is right and proper well into adulthood? Is this not a problem associated with the views taken by the leftist of liberals? Don't they live in that very shielded from reality world?
When an unwilling participant is getting beat up and it is perceived as entertainment we indeed have problems in our society. I admit I am guilty of watching videos of that nature and considering them entertainment. Posed to me in the way you did, made me think, thanks. I have a bit of a different view right now than I had before talking with you. I see a line between willing and unwilling participants.
I am in agreement with what you had to say about the internet. If the media is attempting to dissuade people from it, or making attempt to control it, then they are fighting a truly senseless battle.
Being abducted was not his fault. What happened to him afterwards was not his fault. He is not to blame for those things. I don't know how much clearer I can be about that?.
When my boy goes off on his bike, I know where he is going, the parents of the person's house he is going to know he is coming and if he was not to show up they would call and ask why. I do the same thing for their boy. When it becomes dark, I walk their boy home, and they do mine. These are choices we make tring to protect our children.
A poor choice, one to be responsible for, I see is not leaving when unattended at age 15. He knew people were looking for him right? He had seen pictures of himself right? Ignoring those is another poor choice I would assign personal responsibility for. How can you not do so? Help me learn and understand how it is that he is not responsible for his own choices like these.
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