Christian leader rejects McCain

NewsNetDaily.com ^ | Januaru 13, 2007 | Bob Unruh

[af_vet_1981]

The war is against liberalism and choosing between two enemies is a false choice...

Choosing between President George Herbert Walker Bush and President William Jefferson Clinton was not a false choice. Any choice other than Bush was a foolish choice.

It will be the same in 2008. We are at war.

[68 grunt]

... IOW, liberal-speak for a Christian who raises his voice in disagreement with social liberalism. ...

Yes, absolutely, you're right. However there are many of us on the right who are bitter, also. Anyone of the issues you mentioned can be used as examples. Take euthanasia and the TS issue. The Christian caricature of her more vocal supporters scared secular folks and was counterproductive and contributed to the losses we suffered in November. That demonrat dirt agents use the caricature is a closely related 'other matter'.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

It will be the same in 2008. We are at war.

Anyone who thinks Mrs. Clinton is the be all, end all of the '08 election has already conceded defeat.

Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy...

[pollywog]

Duncan Hunter for President 2008

[af_vet_1981]

Any other Democrat will be as bad as Clinton. No Democrat selected in the primary in 2008 is acceptable. The only alternative is Republican and the time to oppose McCain is only in the primary.

[zook]

Thanks, but I wasn't offended.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I want to win on ISSUES... the personality cult does nothing to win ISSUES.

If war is the ISSUE, close the freaking border...

[zook]

As I pointed out in another post: for whom would Reagan vote? No doubt he voted for the "RINO" (sarcasm there) Gerry Ford in 76. No doubt he would vote for McCain, if he were alive.

[zook]

What difference does it make whether it's Hillary, Obama, or some other Democrat? "Hillary" is just a slogan word representing any of the leading Democrat candidates. They're all just as bad or worse.

[af_vet_1981]

If war is the ISSUE, close the freaking border...

There are many issues, and the Democrats are wrong on all of them. I surmise from your comments that you can tolerate them in power.

[phil1750]

If Rosie O'Pig-Donnel were running as a republican, do you vote for her or the democRat? McCain is just about as bad. He is no more Republican than Rosie. Should that happen, I think you'll see a big movement for a third party, which will get my vote. I won't vote democRatic and I won't vote for RINO'S.

[zook]

As soon as I read your first sentence, I realized there was little need to respond. But since I'm here, I'll just say that your question is about identical to the following:

"If God became Satan, would you still go to church every Sunday?"

[Mia T]

Thank you, TommyDale. I think you may have hit on something here.

Bridge-building and respect are criteria we should insist on in a candidate; I think we must focus on that, rather than whether or not the candidate is our ideological clone.

The underlying logical inconsistency of the Religious Right argument is another area we must not ignore.

You say: "the Religious Right will never accept a candidate or platform that finds abortion acceptable, nor will it find partial-birth abortion, gun control, federally-funded infant stem cell research, or assisted suicide. Those issues are not negotiable because of their religious beliefs."

This is certainly a reasonable position, (although I argue that it is mooted by the very threat to our existence).

But the Religious Right's solution is not reasonable.

It is an exercise in self-delusion to argue that the solution to an ideologically and otherwise imperfect candidate is to place a de facto vote for the one candidate--hillary clinton--who unabashedly and intractably holds each and every one of those abhored positions... and worse, i.e., think Supreme Court; think rape; think WOT; think treason....

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

If the Republicans are doing the same damn things as the Democrats, what difference is there?

A Madison Avenue designer label?

[Mia T]

abhorred

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

The underlying logical inconsistency of the Religious Right argument is another area we must not ignore.

It is logically inconsistent to vote for a label and not on the ISSUES.

I am an atheist and I will not vote, give money, or do precinct work for a Democrat clone.

Now, if you want to bash the religious people, fine, they won't vote for you - - and neither will I...

[LowOiL]

Never will I vote for that man... You can mark my words here as about as solid as it gets. Barring being held hostage at gunpoint, I will NOT vote at any time for McClaimHimselfConservative.

[Mia T]

Thank you, tkathy. :)

Israel is but the canaryinthemine for all of western civilization.

Excellent.

[Mia T]

But by not voting for a 'Democrat clone' you are perforce voting for the Democrat-for-real. Not to recognize this fact is to delude yourself.

This is called a dilemma.

Hey, you may in the end say, "OK, I will place my de facto vote for hillary clinton," and that is an intellectually honest (if misguided) position.

But to massage your sense of righteousness by voting 3rd party or not voting at all and ignore the plain fact that you are voting for hillary clinton is dishonest. And it is reckless.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

But by not voting for a 'Democrat clone' you are perforce voting for the Democrat-for-real.

You are the deluded one. I vote on the issues. Your cults of personality with fancy Madison Avenue labels mean very little.

I could win the war on terror inside of two weeks. The first battle would take twenty minutes with no U.S. casualties, so don't throw that boogie man out there...

(Photoshopped pictures of Mrs. Clinton the ghoul don't impress me neither.)

If anyone needs to suck it up, it is the "moderates" and RINOs who lost this last election. The check pant, country club wimps are gonna have to have some gonads and give the conservatives what they want or they will lose.