[Billthedrill]

It hardly matters, really. No matter what happens we may depend on the Islamic fascists claiming victory and the international media backing them up. The Democrats have found this a useful dynamic to their own political power and hence will go along with the game as long as they can ride it. All that is happening and will absolutely continue to happen even were we to eject every last al-Qaeda sympathizer from Iraq.

Come 2008 - after the election when it won't matter - we will certainly hear this same gaggle of cretins demand war crimes trials for Bush while thugs in ski masks continue to behead people on the Internet. It's inevitable as the day.

[Ironfocus]

That's a great point. Victory seems to be relative in the minds of the left. I don't think they will admit an American victory even if Dick Cheney was named president of Iraq and the Baptists had a church on every corner.

The media and the Dems have been demonizing this war since the day Allied forces crossed the border, and now they have finally succeeded in defining and putting into action what defeat looks like. They could never define what victory looks like for America, just AQ.