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To: BigSkyFreeper

No, it is a war against certain people, supported by some governments, who use certain tactics against us. It is NOT a war against an ideology; for we can never fight against an ideology. I mean, who do you attack? Where is the ideology centered? How do you find it? That is just an excuse for an open voucher on the nation for an endless state of war.

Certainly, denying these thugs any safe haven anywhere in the world means they have no place to fight FROM... and THAT is what we need to be doing as a start. Then we can say that we are finally properly defining our task... and not giving FedGov a blank check on our future and our children's future.

We fight the PEOPLE who subscribe to that "ideology" and we grant no quarter until they no longer have either the capability or the will to continue. Simple.


378 posted on 01/11/2007 11:01:13 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: dcwusmc
We fight the PEOPLE who subscribe to that "ideology" and we grant no quarter until they no longer have either the capability or the will to continue. Simple.

Excuse me, you are at war with *people*?

That's you, the person, at war with people? The US is NOT at war with *people* you understand that don't you? We are saying that we are at war with terrorism - which IS an ideology.

392 posted on 01/11/2007 11:13:11 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: dcwusmc
No, it is a war against certain people

I have neighbors who are "certain people", they're either lazy, crazy, or certifiable. Hardly an act of war.

supported by some governments, who use certain tactics against us.

"Supported" isn't exactly the right term, take Lebanon for instance, they're just basically a neutered body, and the country itself is run by a terrorist organization named Hezbollah.

It is NOT a war against an ideology; for we can never fight against an ideology.

Sure it is.  You can look long and hard, and you won't find a Catholic terrorist group, or a Seventh Day Adventist terrorist group.  Saddam wasn't hung because he was Sunni, or Arab.  He was hung because he commited unjustifiable crimes against humanity.  Crimes which Human Rights Watch defended.

That is just an excuse for an open voucher on the nation for an endless state of war.

One person's opinion.  This isn't a fight against a nation in a worthless, wasteful "endless state of war", this is a fight for civilization's ultimate survival against a mindset that wants you to bow down toward Mecca five times a day to pray to some deity that may as well be someone's crazy uncle in the attic.

Certainly, denying these thugs any safe haven anywhere in the world means they have no place to fight FROM... and THAT is what we need to be doing as a start.

That's what we're trying to accomplish in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Then we can say that we are finally properly defining our task... and not giving FedGov a blank check on our future and our children's future.

How much do you think the war should cost?  3,000 lives lost in Iraq is a helluva lot, but it will cost a helluva lot more if we engage in the cut and run, appeasement strategy.  Not just over there, but here as well.

You either fight the enemy or you don't.  You can't have it both ways.

We fight the PEOPLE who subscribe to that "ideology" and we grant no quarter until they no longer have either the capability or the will to continue. Simple.

Zarqawi couldn't have said it better.
 

394 posted on 01/11/2007 11:18:56 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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