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Bush Judicial Nominees Withdraw
AP via SFGate ^ | 1/9/7 | David Espo

Posted on 01/09/2007 9:49:04 AM PST by SmithL

WASHINGTON (AP) --

In a concession to the Senate's new Democratic majority, four of President Bush's appeals court appointees have asked to have their nominations withdrawn, Republican officials said Tuesday.

These officials said that William Haynes, William Myers and Terrence Boyle had all decided to abandon their quest for confirmation. Another nominee, Mike Wallace, let it be known last month that he, too, had asked Bush to withdraw his nomination.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: judges; mikewallace; nominees; terrenceboyle; williamhaynes; williammyers
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To: Howlin; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; bitt

261 posted on 01/09/2007 1:48:47 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for posting that poll!


262 posted on 01/09/2007 1:49:19 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: olderwiser
President Bush chose a limited "War On Terror" instead of an all out assault with the actual terrorist powers--,




I guess 6 years is much too long for some people's memories. Let me refresh yours for you.

President Bush had no choice when we went to war against the terrorists first in Afghanistan, we only had a skeleton military who had to make do with old, worn out equipment, thanks to "I hate the military" clinton. Even after 6 years of rebuilding we're still not up to full power. Also clinton selling all our military and security secrets has made the task of regaining all our power much more difficult. Because of his greed and main objective of padding his own bank account, he enabled those countries to close the gap between our power and theirs at an alarming pace and the bar on the hurdle we must leap over is now much higher to maintain our position as the worlds strongest country.

A country is only strong and a leader if she has a strong, mighty military force, therefore we must NEVER let another clinton darken the doorstep and walk back into the WH.
263 posted on 01/09/2007 2:12:16 PM PST by AmeriBrit
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To: All

To all CINOs, (conservative in name only) Peach & Chena and the others, to all non-conservatives and ppl that don’t believe in the Constitution and the Bible.

CONSERVATIVES believe in God, their families, the Bible and the Constitution in that order – bash me as you wish, true conservatives know I am right, and the Bible proves it.

First of all, Peach, my5cents is right – on your list it contains EO’s – where in the Constitution is that allowed; and where in the Constitution is education, social security, and welfare and Medicaid authorized? How about the DEA, BATF, NEA, BLM and a dozen more I could name? and except by treaty and the WOT not one dollar should be going overseas.

If this had been a Christian America, Roe v Wade would not be an issue, since the Bible says the ‘fruit’ is a child. If this had been a Christian America, homos would be taken care of per the N.T., and no need for the Defense of Marriage act, which is also in violation of the 1st Amendment.

Dirtboy is right – don’t blame the voters – there was not a single Bible believing Christian to vote for in the 2 major partys – I voted Constitution party, closer to Christians, but still no cigars (remember John Adams, he said, ”Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” --October 11, 1798)

Condor51 is right, Bush ‘wanted’ the Dems to win so he could pass his amnesty and go forth faster with the North American Union and the Ameruro

Didn’t Bush call the Minutemen “vigilantes”

Is that why we have no wall on our border, so as to let the ‘up to 7’ dirty bombs that are now here come across freely?

Didn’t he push CAFTA? He likes NAFTA and GATT too.

I suggest you save your gold, silver, black powder, seed, and learn the ways of the pioneers to be able to live – Matthew 24 and a few more prophecies are on their way, in less than 6 yrs.

You can google ALL of this, cause sorry, I don’t have time to explain all of this – I’m too busy taking my own advice – gathering gold, silver & the ‘other’ stuff
(anybody got a couple spare cannons for sale, and they are allowed by the 2nd Amendment, BTW - think about it *__*)

And those who want to argue with me, FIRST give me Article and section of the Constitution; and the chapter & verse in the Bible, that say that I am wrong – else don’t waste your time, cause I won’t respond til you do.

regards ,

toneythetiger

ps I urge all to avoid the MSM and all TV, til they get back to American values;

quotes:

George Washington “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” May 12, 1779

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

Alexander Hamiltion: “For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]

James Madison: “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

Do you wanna believe the MSM or our founding fathers????????

(and if I may borrow some else’s tag, ‘The Constitution may be flawed, but it’s better than what we have now’ )


264 posted on 01/09/2007 2:32:18 PM PST by toneythetiger (the Constitution - a God-ordained conservative document - liberalism not allowed.)
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To: Suzy Quzy; dirtboy

Sorry. My reference should have been to post 10 by dirtboy.


265 posted on 01/09/2007 2:43:13 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Peach

Brilliant post. Thank you.


266 posted on 01/09/2007 2:55:08 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Peach
Keep expecting perfection, and 100% of what YOU want from a political party, and you'll see a socialized America before you can blink an eye. Enjoy that Democrat majority.

You have Rush to blame for some of this. For how long was he trumpeting the theme of never abandon the courage of your convictions. That's the same thing as saying never get less than the 100% that you believe you deserve.

267 posted on 01/09/2007 3:22:07 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Peach; explodingspleen; Southack
Peach would you be so kind as to post a link to your previous thread earlier today about the accomplishments of President Bush and his Republican majority in the congress?

Just in case explodingspleen missed the thread.

We tend to forget the good things this President has done and see only the things he did not do or couldn't get done.

Thank you

Southack is another that reminds us every once in a while.

I appreciate these reminders.

269 posted on 01/09/2007 3:59:26 PM PST by BARLF
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To: BARLF; explodingspleen

These are some things that the less than perfect Republican majority got done. I don't know who compiled the list; if I did, I'd give them the credit.

Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.
3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.
6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.
7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.
8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.
9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.
10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.
11. Signed trade promotion authority.
12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

* Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."

* On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation:

Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.
2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to to become teachers.

Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.
6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.
7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.
8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.
5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.
6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.
7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.
8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.
9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.
10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.
11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.
12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.
13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).
2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.
3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.
2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.
3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

* A 10-year privatization option.
* Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.
* More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.
* New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.
3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.
6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.
8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.
9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.
2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.
3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.
4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.
2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.
3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.
4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."
2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.
3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.
4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:

* Equal Justice
* Freedom of Speech
* Limited Government Power
* Private Property Rights
* Religious Tolerance
* Respect for Women
* Rule of Law


270 posted on 01/09/2007 4:06:02 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Thank you Peach.


271 posted on 01/09/2007 4:07:25 PM PST by BARLF
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To: BARLF

You're more than welcome :-)


272 posted on 01/09/2007 4:08:30 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

The Kyoto treaty or what ever it was called, was a big worry for me. I was thrilled when President Bush scraped that. "Big Time."


273 posted on 01/09/2007 4:11:21 PM PST by BARLF
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To: toneythetiger
James Madison: “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

Bogus quote.

274 posted on 01/09/2007 4:15:13 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I found these links and books in less than 5 minutes:

http://www.eadshome.com/JamesMadison.htm

http://www.restoringourheritage.com/quotes.htm

http://www.heraldextra.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,/topic,35280.msg154684


books:

Attributed (1778) -- Gary DeMar, God and Government - A Biblical and Historical Study (Atlanta, GA: American Vision Press, 1982);
Benjamin Hart, Faith & Freedom - The Christian Roots of American Liberty (Dallas, TX: Lewis and Stanley, 1988), p. 18;
David Barton, The Myth of Separation (Aledo, TX: Wallbuilder Press, 1991), p. 120]


Unless you were there, and heard otherwise…………………..

regards

toneythetiger


275 posted on 01/09/2007 4:51:19 PM PST by toneythetiger (the Constitution - a God-ordained conservative document - liberalism not allowed.)
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To: toneythetiger
As is discussed here, the quote appears only in 20th century books; no one has found it in any of Madison's own writings or in any 18th or 19th century source.
276 posted on 01/09/2007 5:19:38 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I went to their site - they have the mistaken notion that the Constitution says 'seperation of church and state'. Only someone not familiar with the history of the U.S., and not a Christian could possibly believe that - like the liberal website they are.

They do not claim that the 1933 reference is unsubstantiated, just that they cannot find the quote in the Federalist Papers.

Since they do not know history, nor are they Christian, I place little value in their claim.

I had prayer and Bible reading when I was in school, and it has ALWAYS been here since the first school started - anyone familiar with the colleges in that time period knows they were most all Christian based.

regards


277 posted on 01/09/2007 6:28:07 PM PST by toneythetiger (the Constitution - a God-ordained conservative document - liberalism not allowed.)
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To: dirtboy

And now you have....?


278 posted on 01/09/2007 6:32:50 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: MovementConservative

The repubs had the chance to change things and they caved to the dems. They could have voted in a change in the voting by only needing 51 votes and not 60. But .. Frist had no stomach for the fight so we did nothing.

What difference is it now .. we still can do "nothing".


279 posted on 01/09/2007 7:28:45 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: AmeriBrit

As an "AmeriBrit", maybe you need some refreshing...back to WWII. In 1941 we didn't start out with the massive amount of (then) modern war equipment and trained troops we soon acquired.

But we put ourselves immediately on total war footing.

Five years later, after fighting huge battles the world over, we utterly defeated the Axis Powers. We secured victory because we were willing, in the words of Churchill, "to pay any price".

The will of Churchill (and, yes, FDR) to rally and lead the Allies in that kind of effort, is the level of commitment we needed in the wake of 9-11, as in the wake of Pearl Harbor.

I say George Bush could have (and should have) led the country to declare war on all the major players instigating and using terror and assymetrical warfare to bring our way of life crashing down.

I absolutely blame Bill Clinton for the decade of growing terror attacks and tepid response that culminated in the planning and execution of the 9-11 attacks.

But George Bush was President the day after that attack. He was in charge. I say he should seized the moment and righteous anger and relative unity of average Americans in that moment to act MUCH more boldly.


280 posted on 01/09/2007 8:10:37 PM PST by olderwiser
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