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Michael Medved - Flushing Out Fear Mongers from Their Fever Swamps (FR Mentioned)
Town Hall ^ | 1-4-2006 | Michael Medved

Posted on 01/09/2007 8:27:45 AM PST by jmc813

I’m greatly encouraged by the lengthy, indignant responses by prominent scare-mongers Joe Farah and Jerome Corsi to my on-air and on-blog denunciation (“Shame on Demagogues for Exploiting ‘North American Union’!”, 12/28) of their self-promoting paranoia regarding an alleged conspiracy to merge the US, Canada and Mexico. The defensive tone of their commentary suggests that these two have been appropriately embarrassed: Farah, in particular, dramatically deescalated his rhetoric.

While previous commentary on WorldNetDaily prominently and regularly featured the noun “plot” in defining this non-issue, his answer to my purposefully harsh attack omits that key word entirely and uses language in a vastly more responsible and rational style. If I can push an influential (and often insightful) journalist like Farah back toward reasoned debate and the mainstream, then I’ve already succeeded in my chief goal: to prevent conservatives from following self-interested Pied Pipers off a cliff into conspiracist cuckoo land.

I’m particularly gratified at the way that Farah worded his “Daily Poll” on this issue. He posed the question: “What do you make of the talk about the North American Union?” and offered only two alternatives (out of nine) that agreed with the lunatic alarmists on the subject. Those two choices declared: “The evidence keeps mounting. When will people stop being in denial?” and “Plans for a union are an absolute reality, and anyone who can’t see concerted attacks on U.S. sovereignty is blind.” Please note that in declaring “the evidence keeps mounting,” this response never specifies what, exactly this “evidence” is supposed to prove. Similarly, the statement that “plans for a union are an absolute reality” never suggests who it is who is making those plans. If the plans (not “plots” this time) for a North American Union are coming from forces on the left as marginal as the fringies on the right who worry about such shcemes, then there is, indeed, no reason for fear.

Amazingly enough, Farah himself supports this reassuring perspective in his muddled attempt to defend his previous hysteria. He identifies one Robert Pastor “as the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union.” Pastor is a loony leftist, slightly unhinged professor at American University who was an enthusiastic supporter (and informal advisor) to John Kerry’s Presidential juggernaut--- and who bears no connection whatever to the Bush administration, or the dreaded Security and Prosperity Partnership. If an addled academic with zero power in the government and no clout whatever with the current administration is “the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union” do those plans really sound so menacing and dire and imminent?

Moreover, even Professor Pastor (in an interview with NAU demagogue-in-chief Jerome Corsi, as quoted by Farah) specifically denies any desire for a North American Union. “Each of the proposals I have laid out represent (sic) more than just small steps,” Pastor proclaimed. “But it doesn’t represent a leap to a North American Union or even to some confederation of any kind. I don’t think either is plausible, necessary or even helpful to contemplate at this stage.” (Italics added)

I know that paranoids and conspiracy connoisseurs will seize on the last three words “at this stage” and scream, “Aha! The dreaded Pastor—the evil academic who’s the architect of the whole diabolical scheme – is suggesting at some later stage it WILL be plausible, necessary, or even helpful to contemplate a North American Union!”

But please, friends, consider this: if even the lefty professor who is considered the most dangerous plotter and visionary on the prospect of US-Mexican-Canadian merger explicitly denies any interest whatever in even contemplating that scheme at this stage, does it really make any sense—any sense at all – to frighten the public into believing that there is a current, powerful mass movement on behalf of such plans?

That’s the essence of my impassioned concern with the demagoguery on this subject: by focusing concern on a non-existent threat, people like Farah and Corsi take attention away from the very real dangers posed by the liberal ideologues who have taken over both houses of Congress.

There are open, undeniable, widely supported plans from the Democratic leadership to cripple the country in our war against Islamo-Nazis, to undermine our security agencies in the name of “constitutional rights,” to raise taxes, to punish productivity, to grow government, to undermine the traditional family, to nationalize health care, to force us all out of our cars (and onto useless mass transit) and to push through precisely the sort of immigration policies that most conservatives will absolutely hate. These plans demand a united Republican Party and a re-energized conservative movement that isn’t distracted and paralyzed by non-existent threats concerning non-existent plans to terminate the independent survival of the United States. (“PREMEDIATED MERGER: How Leaders are Stealthily Transforming USA into North American Union” reads one typical and current Farah headline.)

This is a fateful moment for the conservative moment that Barry Goldwater launched and that Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich and, yes, George W. Bush led to some significant triumphs. For the first time since Clinton first came to power 14 years ago, we are definitely in opposition --- coming out of our “thumpin’” in the 2006 elections, all the momentum and energy in Washington has currently shifted to the Democratic side. The next few months will help to determine whether Republicans and conservatives will fight the good fight over issues that matter or dissipate all chance of a return to power through in-fighting, defeatism and self-marginalization. Given the stakes involved with some of the current battles in Washington and around the world, how can any grownup, responsible activist justify focusing on black-helicopter-style threats like the border-dissolving, sovereignty-ending North American Union –- which no elected leaders of administration officials have ever endorsed?

Where, in the past, have conservatives succeeded in building majorities by concentrating on “secret plans” and “high level plots” by their fellow Republicans?

And this brings me to the unfortunate Jerome Corsi, who felt the need in his response to my scorn to bring up some long-ago misunderstanding between us in which he believed I had charged him with anti-Semitism. As I communicated to Corsi in a telephone conversation, I did not recall making that charge on the air and I still don’t believe I ever attacked him in that manner. If I had even hinted at Jew-hatred on Corsi’s part I was willing to apologize, I said.

But now that he’s brought up the long-dead matter once again, I went to the trouble of looking up some of his controversial (and profoundly embarrassing) internet postings from FreeRepublic.com that were publicized in 2004. One of them (03/04/2004) attacked “John F**ing Commie Kerry” as follows: “After he married TerRAHsa, didn’t John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? (sic). He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?”

Given the fact that neither Kerry nor his wife (either wife, for that matter) ever practiced any form of Judaism (or “Judi-asm”, which might be a form of Judi worship), and given the fact that Theresa Heinz Kerry has never had any connection whatever to the Jewish people or the Jewish religion, and given the fact that Kerry himself has been a well-advertised, professing Catholic all his life, doesn’t Corsi’s snide little comment about Kerry’s “reverting” to the faith from which his paternal grandparents converted, give off unmistakable, fetid whiffs of anti-Semitic obsession?

In the same series of comments he also wrote of the beloved and revered Pope John Paul II: “Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn’t reported by the liberal press” (03/03/2003) and “We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that’s probably about it.” (12/16/2002).

And now this same angry, venomous, irresponsible figure wants to be taken seriously when he warns of the looming, desperate danger of North American Union. He insists that he is utterly disinterested and selfless in promoting this grand conspiracy theory--- but then the final line of his posting gives the lie to this preposterous pose. That line announces about Mr. Corsi: “He will soon author a book on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and the prospect of the forthcoming North American Union.”

I have no desire whatever to help him promote his latest book which is why I won’t invite him as a guest to debate these issues on my radio show. If he wants to call in (with other members of the public) to make whatever points he chooses to make, he’s welcome to do so on the one national talk show that identifies itself as “Your Daily Dose of Debate” and we’ll move him to the front of the caller line. The phone number, Mr. Corsi (toll free, by the way) is 1-800-955-1776.

And concerning his challenge to me to debate him publicly and formally over his poisonous obsession over phantom dangers, I’ve never in my life turned away from a rhetorical challenge, and I’m not about to do so now. If Corsi wants a debate (over a non-issue that I don’t believe is even worthy of serious discussion) I’m willing to join him if he arranges an appropriate venue and I can participate without incurring debilitating travel or personal expense.

If this sort of confrontation can flush out fringe-figures like Jerome Corsi from the dank, turgid conspiracist fever-swamps he chooses to inhabit, it may perform an important hygienic purpose in returning the conservative movement to the robust health it needs for the serious battles that lie ahead.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: botbait; conspiracy; corsi; crymeariver; cuespookymusic; farah; icecreammandrake; kookmagnetthread; medved; michaelmedved; minuteman; minutemanproject; northamericanunion; transtinfoilcorridor; wnd
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To: nopardons; WilliamofCarmichael
Okay, I give you points for being the ONLY other person on FR to know about the EVO. Some know about RAMPARTS, far fewer know of the BERKLEY BARB; however, nobody, not a single soul, has EVER known what I was talking about whenever I've posted about the EAST VILLAGE OTHER!

Used to read all three but the Barb was the worst and lowest. I was leftist, that's why I understand the left so well. "Politically correct" meant something else back then

321 posted on 01/10/2007 11:40:34 PM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: dennisw
I was a Conservative, but was doing research on the enemy. Actually, I read the EVO more to know where NOT to be, or where to be, if I felt like protesting the damned, stinking protesters.

I only saw a few issues of the Barb, but I did read RAMPARTS often and I also read some of the other "local" underground rags. The EVO made THE VILLAGE VOICE look conservative, by comparison.

322 posted on 01/10/2007 11:53:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Are you pro life.


323 posted on 01/10/2007 11:58:40 PM PST by fatima (Thank you to all our troops.)
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To: nopardons

Ramparts at least was a literate magazine. Yes the EVO was the bad boy version of the Village Voice. Used to read both


324 posted on 01/11/2007 12:02:56 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: fatima

Yes; why?


325 posted on 01/11/2007 12:03:06 AM PST by nopardons
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To: dennisw
Yes, it was; but it still made my blood boil!

I read the VV and the EVO, besides several other papers, back then. I lived in the Village ( the WEST VILLAGE; the then still NICE part ), at the time and saw the invading hordes up close and personal. Most of them were "weekend hippies" and wannabes; others were the serious scum who were their pied pipers.

326 posted on 01/11/2007 12:07:57 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

First,i am not mad at you any more,2nd just checking.


327 posted on 01/11/2007 12:13:47 AM PST by fatima (Thank you to all our troops.)
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To: nopardons

I never lived in "the Village" but used to visit often. Friends that lived there and for various events


328 posted on 01/11/2007 12:14:33 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: fatima

Oh, okay....


329 posted on 01/11/2007 12:19:25 AM PST by nopardons
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To: dennisw
I lived on Grove Street, just West of Sheridan Square.

My now husband lived on Jane Street, three bocks over, when we met and were courting.

After we were married, we moved a bit uptown, but still had friends who lived in the Village, so we would still go there to see them and to go to restaurants that we liked and such.

What time span are you talking about? I wonder if we were there at the same time, is all.

330 posted on 01/11/2007 12:24:09 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

About 66-67.


331 posted on 01/11/2007 12:52:51 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: jmc813
I remember in '04 when John Edwards attended the CFR meeting several freepers speculated that it was only a matter of time before he was offered the VP nomination. I scoffed at them at the time, but then a few weeks later, was somewhat eerily surprised when it became official.

Actually, that was the Bilderberg conference.

Bilderberg 'performance' key to Edwards VP pick

You may recall that then Governor Clinton attended in 1991, and Hillary attended last year's conference in Canada.

332 posted on 01/11/2007 4:51:36 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Toddsterpatriot

RI DIC U LUS


333 posted on 01/11/2007 5:24:59 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: dennisw; nopardons
Seems to me that today's leftists are mostly dimwitted, humorless, insipid, lethargic dolts compared to back then.

A Cindy Sheehan would not only not been a "leader" she would not have even registered on the public's senses.

And! in the past they could express themselves without the F-word.

334 posted on 01/11/2007 7:12:33 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: dennisw

Poor Dennis. Still allergic to facts.


335 posted on 01/11/2007 8:08:15 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I really need to introduce you to the doctrine of "estoppel."

Perfectly familiar with it. The notion that there are issues needing to be addressed, simply means that we need an honorable party on the other side...and we wait until we get it. No honor on their side...no deal.

No amount of paper will suddenly transform an "agreement" with a dishonorable rat into a squeaky-clean one. The Reagan requirement of "Trust, but Verify" would be the place to start in establishing some degree of trust. Say we simply require "Automatic" retributions...to more or less correct...and swiftly...the "imperfections" (i.e., cheating) as discovered by our USTR. If these were put in place first, likely in a single page, and the other side agreed to it, we would have seen a step in the right direction as to establishing the "honor" on the other side.

China, for one, would never agree to a contract which had such a simple, and inarguable set of clauses.

336 posted on 01/11/2007 9:39:22 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: dennisw

Same time period. :-)


337 posted on 01/11/2007 8:59:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AmishDude
Say what you want about Medved, he doesn't shy from debate.

And that's why Michael invited Corsi to be on his program.

No- wait- nevermind.

338 posted on 01/13/2007 10:29:35 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: nopardons
But there are some here, to whom facts just don't matter at all.

So true. I recall one who quoted a book on financial bubbles and managed to turn the author's argument on its head.

339 posted on 01/13/2007 10:33:54 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: AmishDude
You are a nutburger with cheese.

Now there's a substantive argument. The logic courses you took to earn a math degree must have been truly demanding.

340 posted on 01/13/2007 10:38:47 PM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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