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Michael Medved - Flushing Out Fear Mongers from Their Fever Swamps (FR Mentioned)
Town Hall ^ | 1-4-2006 | Michael Medved

Posted on 01/09/2007 8:27:45 AM PST by jmc813

I’m greatly encouraged by the lengthy, indignant responses by prominent scare-mongers Joe Farah and Jerome Corsi to my on-air and on-blog denunciation (“Shame on Demagogues for Exploiting ‘North American Union’!”, 12/28) of their self-promoting paranoia regarding an alleged conspiracy to merge the US, Canada and Mexico. The defensive tone of their commentary suggests that these two have been appropriately embarrassed: Farah, in particular, dramatically deescalated his rhetoric.

While previous commentary on WorldNetDaily prominently and regularly featured the noun “plot” in defining this non-issue, his answer to my purposefully harsh attack omits that key word entirely and uses language in a vastly more responsible and rational style. If I can push an influential (and often insightful) journalist like Farah back toward reasoned debate and the mainstream, then I’ve already succeeded in my chief goal: to prevent conservatives from following self-interested Pied Pipers off a cliff into conspiracist cuckoo land.

I’m particularly gratified at the way that Farah worded his “Daily Poll” on this issue. He posed the question: “What do you make of the talk about the North American Union?” and offered only two alternatives (out of nine) that agreed with the lunatic alarmists on the subject. Those two choices declared: “The evidence keeps mounting. When will people stop being in denial?” and “Plans for a union are an absolute reality, and anyone who can’t see concerted attacks on U.S. sovereignty is blind.” Please note that in declaring “the evidence keeps mounting,” this response never specifies what, exactly this “evidence” is supposed to prove. Similarly, the statement that “plans for a union are an absolute reality” never suggests who it is who is making those plans. If the plans (not “plots” this time) for a North American Union are coming from forces on the left as marginal as the fringies on the right who worry about such shcemes, then there is, indeed, no reason for fear.

Amazingly enough, Farah himself supports this reassuring perspective in his muddled attempt to defend his previous hysteria. He identifies one Robert Pastor “as the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union.” Pastor is a loony leftist, slightly unhinged professor at American University who was an enthusiastic supporter (and informal advisor) to John Kerry’s Presidential juggernaut--- and who bears no connection whatever to the Bush administration, or the dreaded Security and Prosperity Partnership. If an addled academic with zero power in the government and no clout whatever with the current administration is “the man at the very center of the plans for a North American Union” do those plans really sound so menacing and dire and imminent?

Moreover, even Professor Pastor (in an interview with NAU demagogue-in-chief Jerome Corsi, as quoted by Farah) specifically denies any desire for a North American Union. “Each of the proposals I have laid out represent (sic) more than just small steps,” Pastor proclaimed. “But it doesn’t represent a leap to a North American Union or even to some confederation of any kind. I don’t think either is plausible, necessary or even helpful to contemplate at this stage.” (Italics added)

I know that paranoids and conspiracy connoisseurs will seize on the last three words “at this stage” and scream, “Aha! The dreaded Pastor—the evil academic who’s the architect of the whole diabolical scheme – is suggesting at some later stage it WILL be plausible, necessary, or even helpful to contemplate a North American Union!”

But please, friends, consider this: if even the lefty professor who is considered the most dangerous plotter and visionary on the prospect of US-Mexican-Canadian merger explicitly denies any interest whatever in even contemplating that scheme at this stage, does it really make any sense—any sense at all – to frighten the public into believing that there is a current, powerful mass movement on behalf of such plans?

That’s the essence of my impassioned concern with the demagoguery on this subject: by focusing concern on a non-existent threat, people like Farah and Corsi take attention away from the very real dangers posed by the liberal ideologues who have taken over both houses of Congress.

There are open, undeniable, widely supported plans from the Democratic leadership to cripple the country in our war against Islamo-Nazis, to undermine our security agencies in the name of “constitutional rights,” to raise taxes, to punish productivity, to grow government, to undermine the traditional family, to nationalize health care, to force us all out of our cars (and onto useless mass transit) and to push through precisely the sort of immigration policies that most conservatives will absolutely hate. These plans demand a united Republican Party and a re-energized conservative movement that isn’t distracted and paralyzed by non-existent threats concerning non-existent plans to terminate the independent survival of the United States. (“PREMEDIATED MERGER: How Leaders are Stealthily Transforming USA into North American Union” reads one typical and current Farah headline.)

This is a fateful moment for the conservative moment that Barry Goldwater launched and that Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich and, yes, George W. Bush led to some significant triumphs. For the first time since Clinton first came to power 14 years ago, we are definitely in opposition --- coming out of our “thumpin’” in the 2006 elections, all the momentum and energy in Washington has currently shifted to the Democratic side. The next few months will help to determine whether Republicans and conservatives will fight the good fight over issues that matter or dissipate all chance of a return to power through in-fighting, defeatism and self-marginalization. Given the stakes involved with some of the current battles in Washington and around the world, how can any grownup, responsible activist justify focusing on black-helicopter-style threats like the border-dissolving, sovereignty-ending North American Union –- which no elected leaders of administration officials have ever endorsed?

Where, in the past, have conservatives succeeded in building majorities by concentrating on “secret plans” and “high level plots” by their fellow Republicans?

And this brings me to the unfortunate Jerome Corsi, who felt the need in his response to my scorn to bring up some long-ago misunderstanding between us in which he believed I had charged him with anti-Semitism. As I communicated to Corsi in a telephone conversation, I did not recall making that charge on the air and I still don’t believe I ever attacked him in that manner. If I had even hinted at Jew-hatred on Corsi’s part I was willing to apologize, I said.

But now that he’s brought up the long-dead matter once again, I went to the trouble of looking up some of his controversial (and profoundly embarrassing) internet postings from FreeRepublic.com that were publicized in 2004. One of them (03/04/2004) attacked “John F**ing Commie Kerry” as follows: “After he married TerRAHsa, didn’t John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? (sic). He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?”

Given the fact that neither Kerry nor his wife (either wife, for that matter) ever practiced any form of Judaism (or “Judi-asm”, which might be a form of Judi worship), and given the fact that Theresa Heinz Kerry has never had any connection whatever to the Jewish people or the Jewish religion, and given the fact that Kerry himself has been a well-advertised, professing Catholic all his life, doesn’t Corsi’s snide little comment about Kerry’s “reverting” to the faith from which his paternal grandparents converted, give off unmistakable, fetid whiffs of anti-Semitic obsession?

In the same series of comments he also wrote of the beloved and revered Pope John Paul II: “Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn’t reported by the liberal press” (03/03/2003) and “We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that’s probably about it.” (12/16/2002).

And now this same angry, venomous, irresponsible figure wants to be taken seriously when he warns of the looming, desperate danger of North American Union. He insists that he is utterly disinterested and selfless in promoting this grand conspiracy theory--- but then the final line of his posting gives the lie to this preposterous pose. That line announces about Mr. Corsi: “He will soon author a book on the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and the prospect of the forthcoming North American Union.”

I have no desire whatever to help him promote his latest book which is why I won’t invite him as a guest to debate these issues on my radio show. If he wants to call in (with other members of the public) to make whatever points he chooses to make, he’s welcome to do so on the one national talk show that identifies itself as “Your Daily Dose of Debate” and we’ll move him to the front of the caller line. The phone number, Mr. Corsi (toll free, by the way) is 1-800-955-1776.

And concerning his challenge to me to debate him publicly and formally over his poisonous obsession over phantom dangers, I’ve never in my life turned away from a rhetorical challenge, and I’m not about to do so now. If Corsi wants a debate (over a non-issue that I don’t believe is even worthy of serious discussion) I’m willing to join him if he arranges an appropriate venue and I can participate without incurring debilitating travel or personal expense.

If this sort of confrontation can flush out fringe-figures like Jerome Corsi from the dank, turgid conspiracist fever-swamps he chooses to inhabit, it may perform an important hygienic purpose in returning the conservative movement to the robust health it needs for the serious battles that lie ahead.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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To: dennisw
Buying Chinese craps at Wal-Mart is not investment, it's current consumption

You understand that buying stuff at WalMart is unrelated to the Federal Government spending more money than it takes in? No, I guess you don't.

281 posted on 01/10/2007 11:45:48 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Paul Ross
False. Only by a limited definition

Well, we do apply definitions to words, yes.

We are talking Public Policy AND Economics.

Which would be more than mere economics, eh?

282 posted on 01/10/2007 11:46:53 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: dennisw
They plod along mostly because their economies aren't juiced up by going into hock to foreigners

They don't need foreign investment, they have so much extra money that they can invest in America.

Their growth rates are reasonable and acceptable because of that

If you think 1% growth is reasonable and if you think Germany's 8% plus unemployment is acceptable, then you're dumber than I thought.

283 posted on 01/10/2007 11:48:51 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Paul Ross

But, of course, this isn't economics. And what Henry Clay may have called "The American System" makes it neither a system, nor American nor in any way "the".


284 posted on 01/10/2007 11:49:04 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Dane
I actually can't listren to Laura Ingraham anymore she is getting as shrill as Rosie O'Donnell.

I think she's absolutely hilarious. Do yourself a favor and if you see that a new Cindy Sheehan interview takes place, hoold your nose and listen to Laura that night. Her impressions of Sheehan are priceless. I think Laura's hawt too and that's always a nice bonus.

285 posted on 01/10/2007 11:55:50 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!)
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To: Dane
JMO, the "true conservatives' are turning off a lot of people with their shrillness and constant negativity.

I agreee with you to a certain extent. It's possible to be shrill and negative and still entertaining, but it takes talent to pull it off. For instance, Michael Savage depresses the heck out of me after listening to him for 5 minutes, but I'm a really big fan of Mark Levin.

286 posted on 01/10/2007 11:58:36 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!)
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To: dennisw
At least you practice what you preach.

Don't patronize me. You are a common thief, and a thug.

287 posted on 01/10/2007 12:11:59 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I didn't bother to read your response past this BS. Name one FTA you favor.

First, your position is not enhanced by your "Medvidianism". And Second, any agreements which set up extra-constitutional trade courts, or defer to International regimes such as the WTO Court, are genericaally unacceptable to me as a matter of Constitutional Principle. I suppose that seems quaint to you too.

But as a matter of substantive "give and take" fairness, the following Bilateral reciprocity agreements I tentatively approve:

Canada-U.S. FTA

Australia-U.S. FTA

And I'm of a mixed opinion, and would prefer to remain neutral on the virtues of the U.S.-Chile FTA.

A real, honest-to-God FTA with Japan, if enforceable, would be, intuitively, a good idea. Wages are indeed similar. There are a number of U.S.-Japan Bilateral Agreements which have been assessed as deficient however in compliance, engendering among some former Trade Representatives to advocate for:

The “new emphasis on explicitly mandated results has arisen from the perception that previous market-opening initiatives with Japan have failed because the standard process- or rule-based approach is too easily undermined or subverted by Japanese countermeasures.

In view of my preference for completely switching around our tax systems, shifting from production and investment-punishing income/gains taxes to revenue tariffs and national sales taxes, this will always apparently put us at logger-heads over trade policy.

Interestingly the World Trade Organization does permit the existence of neutral Revenue Tariffs. But suggest the notion...and the Phoney Traders here scream bloody murder at the idea.

288 posted on 01/10/2007 12:36:11 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
First, your position is not enhanced by your "Medvidianism.'

But it is well justified. I was looking for a yes or no answer, not blather about "tentative approval," which, in a Corsican fashion ("Corsi," get it? I slay myself sometimes) makes it impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you on the subject.

289 posted on 01/10/2007 12:42:44 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AmishDude
Which would be more than mere economics, eh?

Which would be where the Rubber Meets The Road.

This was never an exclusive discussion of Ivory Tower theory.

290 posted on 01/10/2007 12:43:47 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: 1rudeboy
But it is well justified.

In a Pig's Eye.

I was looking for a yes or no answer

Guess you live in a black and white universe.

not blather about "tentative approval,"

Guess you didn't read the whole of my post then.

And if you find "fine-print" in a contract that is totally unacceptable, that may gut some particular fundamental elements you were expecting in a "deal" do you automatically say the whole deal is "good" or "bad"? You've got to read more than the "headlines" in these agreements. And know more than whether they superficially appear fair. You need to know the actual likely compliance and impacts "on the ground". Hence the issues we still have with Japan.

And multilaterally-enforced FTA's simply multiply the compliance issues, as China has shown...leading the WTO...and the US phoney trade community... around by the nose.

China's US Trade Surplus is now Six-To-One.

291 posted on 01/10/2007 12:54:01 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
Reciprocity, and trade with other high-wage societies is clearly mutually beneficial.

You don't actually believe that trade with high-wage societies is mutually beneficial, do you?

292 posted on 01/10/2007 12:56:27 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Corsi," get it? I slay myself sometimes)

Ha, Ha...Ha.

293 posted on 01/10/2007 12:56:32 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
And if you find "fine-print" in a contract that is totally unacceptable, that may gut some particular fundamental elements you were expecting in a "deal" do you automatically say the whole deal is "good" or "bad"?

"Bad." If not "bad," "good." I guess I'm not "sophisticated" enough to be a protectionist.

294 posted on 01/10/2007 12:57:27 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You don't actually believe that trade with high-wage societies is mutually beneficial, do you?

In principle, yes. Of course I do. There may be some individual issues where the trade is not free, however, as where Europe subsidizes AirBus, and their state airlines preferentially discriminate against the American free enterprise "competitor" and as pointed out above, that Japan exercises some serious non-tariff trade barriers still...

These are issues of imperfection in the trade, i.e., "non-freedom" in the trade that need to be addressed.

295 posted on 01/10/2007 1:01:20 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
In principle, yes. Of course I do.

How is this trade beneficial?

296 posted on 01/10/2007 1:03:38 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I guess I'm not "sophisticated" enough to be a protectionist.

So in your unsophisticated universe, there are never any "mixed bags"?

Since you're an all-or-nothing kind of guy, which is it for you. Let's see you identify any Free Trade Agreements...that you don't support.

297 posted on 01/10/2007 1:09:32 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Those "boarders" can be pests.
The border is porous indeed.


298 posted on 01/10/2007 1:09:37 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES.)
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To: Paul Ross

Help me out here, was it on this thread or another that you were complaining that trade agreements shouldn't take-up so many pages? Now you're arguing that they don't take into account all the "nuances?"


299 posted on 01/10/2007 1:10:36 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AmishDude

You're funny, Amish Dude.


300 posted on 01/10/2007 1:13:44 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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