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Michael Medved - Flushing Out Fear Mongers from Their Fever Swamps (FR Mentioned)
Town Hall ^ | 1-4-2006 | Michael Medved

Posted on 01/09/2007 8:27:45 AM PST by jmc813

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To: dennisw
Buying Chinese craps at Wal-Mart is not investment, it's current consumption

You understand that buying stuff at WalMart is unrelated to the Federal Government spending more money than it takes in? No, I guess you don't.

281 posted on 01/10/2007 11:45:48 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Paul Ross
False. Only by a limited definition

Well, we do apply definitions to words, yes.

We are talking Public Policy AND Economics.

Which would be more than mere economics, eh?

282 posted on 01/10/2007 11:46:53 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: dennisw
They plod along mostly because their economies aren't juiced up by going into hock to foreigners

They don't need foreign investment, they have so much extra money that they can invest in America.

Their growth rates are reasonable and acceptable because of that

If you think 1% growth is reasonable and if you think Germany's 8% plus unemployment is acceptable, then you're dumber than I thought.

283 posted on 01/10/2007 11:48:51 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: Paul Ross

But, of course, this isn't economics. And what Henry Clay may have called "The American System" makes it neither a system, nor American nor in any way "the".


284 posted on 01/10/2007 11:49:04 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Dane
I actually can't listren to Laura Ingraham anymore she is getting as shrill as Rosie O'Donnell.

I think she's absolutely hilarious. Do yourself a favor and if you see that a new Cindy Sheehan interview takes place, hoold your nose and listen to Laura that night. Her impressions of Sheehan are priceless. I think Laura's hawt too and that's always a nice bonus.

285 posted on 01/10/2007 11:55:50 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!)
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To: Dane
JMO, the "true conservatives' are turning off a lot of people with their shrillness and constant negativity.

I agreee with you to a certain extent. It's possible to be shrill and negative and still entertaining, but it takes talent to pull it off. For instance, Michael Savage depresses the heck out of me after listening to him for 5 minutes, but I'm a really big fan of Mark Levin.

286 posted on 01/10/2007 11:58:36 AM PST by jmc813 (Go Jets!)
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To: dennisw
At least you practice what you preach.

Don't patronize me. You are a common thief, and a thug.

287 posted on 01/10/2007 12:11:59 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I didn't bother to read your response past this BS. Name one FTA you favor.

First, your position is not enhanced by your "Medvidianism". And Second, any agreements which set up extra-constitutional trade courts, or defer to International regimes such as the WTO Court, are genericaally unacceptable to me as a matter of Constitutional Principle. I suppose that seems quaint to you too.

But as a matter of substantive "give and take" fairness, the following Bilateral reciprocity agreements I tentatively approve:

Canada-U.S. FTA

Australia-U.S. FTA

And I'm of a mixed opinion, and would prefer to remain neutral on the virtues of the U.S.-Chile FTA.

A real, honest-to-God FTA with Japan, if enforceable, would be, intuitively, a good idea. Wages are indeed similar. There are a number of U.S.-Japan Bilateral Agreements which have been assessed as deficient however in compliance, engendering among some former Trade Representatives to advocate for:

The “new emphasis on explicitly mandated results has arisen from the perception that previous market-opening initiatives with Japan have failed because the standard process- or rule-based approach is too easily undermined or subverted by Japanese countermeasures.

In view of my preference for completely switching around our tax systems, shifting from production and investment-punishing income/gains taxes to revenue tariffs and national sales taxes, this will always apparently put us at logger-heads over trade policy.

Interestingly the World Trade Organization does permit the existence of neutral Revenue Tariffs. But suggest the notion...and the Phoney Traders here scream bloody murder at the idea.

288 posted on 01/10/2007 12:36:11 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
First, your position is not enhanced by your "Medvidianism.'

But it is well justified. I was looking for a yes or no answer, not blather about "tentative approval," which, in a Corsican fashion ("Corsi," get it? I slay myself sometimes) makes it impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you on the subject.

289 posted on 01/10/2007 12:42:44 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AmishDude
Which would be more than mere economics, eh?

Which would be where the Rubber Meets The Road.

This was never an exclusive discussion of Ivory Tower theory.

290 posted on 01/10/2007 12:43:47 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: 1rudeboy
But it is well justified.

In a Pig's Eye.

I was looking for a yes or no answer

Guess you live in a black and white universe.

not blather about "tentative approval,"

Guess you didn't read the whole of my post then.

And if you find "fine-print" in a contract that is totally unacceptable, that may gut some particular fundamental elements you were expecting in a "deal" do you automatically say the whole deal is "good" or "bad"? You've got to read more than the "headlines" in these agreements. And know more than whether they superficially appear fair. You need to know the actual likely compliance and impacts "on the ground". Hence the issues we still have with Japan.

And multilaterally-enforced FTA's simply multiply the compliance issues, as China has shown...leading the WTO...and the US phoney trade community... around by the nose.

China's US Trade Surplus is now Six-To-One.

291 posted on 01/10/2007 12:54:01 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
Reciprocity, and trade with other high-wage societies is clearly mutually beneficial.

You don't actually believe that trade with high-wage societies is mutually beneficial, do you?

292 posted on 01/10/2007 12:56:27 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Corsi," get it? I slay myself sometimes)

Ha, Ha...Ha.

293 posted on 01/10/2007 12:56:32 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
And if you find "fine-print" in a contract that is totally unacceptable, that may gut some particular fundamental elements you were expecting in a "deal" do you automatically say the whole deal is "good" or "bad"?

"Bad." If not "bad," "good." I guess I'm not "sophisticated" enough to be a protectionist.

294 posted on 01/10/2007 12:57:27 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You don't actually believe that trade with high-wage societies is mutually beneficial, do you?

In principle, yes. Of course I do. There may be some individual issues where the trade is not free, however, as where Europe subsidizes AirBus, and their state airlines preferentially discriminate against the American free enterprise "competitor" and as pointed out above, that Japan exercises some serious non-tariff trade barriers still...

These are issues of imperfection in the trade, i.e., "non-freedom" in the trade that need to be addressed.

295 posted on 01/10/2007 1:01:20 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
In principle, yes. Of course I do.

How is this trade beneficial?

296 posted on 01/10/2007 1:03:38 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I guess I'm not "sophisticated" enough to be a protectionist.

So in your unsophisticated universe, there are never any "mixed bags"?

Since you're an all-or-nothing kind of guy, which is it for you. Let's see you identify any Free Trade Agreements...that you don't support.

297 posted on 01/10/2007 1:09:32 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Those "boarders" can be pests.
The border is porous indeed.


298 posted on 01/10/2007 1:09:37 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES.)
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To: Paul Ross

Help me out here, was it on this thread or another that you were complaining that trade agreements shouldn't take-up so many pages? Now you're arguing that they don't take into account all the "nuances?"


299 posted on 01/10/2007 1:10:36 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: AmishDude

You're funny, Amish Dude.


300 posted on 01/10/2007 1:13:44 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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