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Myths of the Teachers Unions
Front Page Magazine ^ | 9 January 2007

Posted on 01/09/2007 8:12:11 AM PST by shrinkermd

...This is the most widely held myth about education in America--and the one most directly at odds with the available evidence. Few people are aware that our education spending per pupil has been growing steadily for 50 years. At the end of World War II, public schools in the United States spent a total of $1,214 per student in inflation-adjusted 2002 dollars. By the middle of the 1950s that figure had roughly doubled to $2,345. By 1972 it had almost doubled again, reaching $4,479. And since then, it has doubled a third time, climbing to $8,745 in 2002.

Since the early 1970s, when the federal government launched a standardized exam called the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), it has been possible to measure student outcomes in a reliable, objective way. Over that period, inflation-adjusted spending per pupil doubled. So if more money produces better results in schools, we would expect to see significant improvements in test scores during this period. That didn't happen...

...One reason for the prominence of the underpaid-teacher belief is that people often fail to account for the relatively low number of hours that teachers work. It seems obvious, but it is easily forgotten: teachers work only about nine months per year. During the summer they can either work at other jobs or use the time off...

The most recent data available indicate that teachers average 7.3 working hours per day, and that they work 180 days per year, adding up to 1,314 hours per year. Americans in normal 9-to-5 professions who take two weeks of vacation and another ten paid holidays per year put in 1,928 working hours. Doing the math, this means the average teacher gets paid a base salary equivalent to a fulltime salary of $65,440.

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KEYWORDS: education; govwatch; greatpay; myths; nea; salaries; teachers; teachersunions; unions
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To: paltz
The unions use the jaded attitude of teachers to their advantage to say "you're worth more than cops and fireman"

Not to mention that many teachers have worthless degrees. The subjects schools are having a hard time finding qualified teachers for are those that a person with a degree in can get a good job in the real world. (math, physical science)
101 posted on 01/10/2007 4:46:56 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: rightsmart

How come your school doesn't let the teachers have a summer off?

Just wondering.

Sounds like they make a good salary for a private school. Is the school accredited academically? Sounds like it might be, since the salaries are higher than many private schools.


102 posted on 01/10/2007 4:49:56 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: RobbyS
The only thing is, that the better and brighter single people can usually find a full-time job that pays better, and one does get what one pays for.

That's the bottom line. Teachers complain they don't make enough and the rest of the world sees them getting a lot of time off. If they want more money, find another job! (And most probably, a degree that will enable them to do something besides teach.)
103 posted on 01/10/2007 4:52:45 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall
It takes work to develop an accredited, nationally recognized (U.S.D.E Blue Ribbon) school such as ours. During the summer, our staff work on curriculum development, classroom preparation, staff development, committee work, home visits with every student's family, etc., We do not schedule very many days off during the school year for this stuff (parents hate having a day-off here and there unless tied to holiday's that they have off of work) In all honesty, although they "officially" have 3-4 weeks off in the summer, as long as they are completing the tasks assigned to them, I do not have them check-in or complete time cards and I am respectful of their time because they are respectful of mine.
I only posted my salary as head administrator(principal) with 15 years of experience and two master's degrees. Our staff salaries are generally less. The actual amount depends on years of experience and education levels. If I did the same job at an area public school, I would be making close to double the amount for less time commitment. But then I would not be doing something that I love.
104 posted on 01/11/2007 7:35:41 AM PST by rightsmart
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To: shrinkermd
Teachers send their children to private schools at twice the rate of the rest of the population. < /all you need to know>
105 posted on 01/11/2007 7:43:32 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: paltz
The unions use the jaded attitude of teachers to their advantage to say "you're worth more than cops and fireman"

Friend #1 graduated with a degree in Materials Science. He was earning more than his female friend (friend #2) who had a masters degree in social work. Friend #2 couldn't understand why Friend #1 earned more money. She was shocked and appalled.

It takes a lot of schooling to get that stupid.

106 posted on 01/11/2007 7:46:38 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: webboy45
Her compensation is nowhere near what an engineer with a masters degree would get.

A masters in ed is worth at least the paper it's printed on. Maybe more in some cases.

107 posted on 01/11/2007 7:48:10 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Here in Texas they have taken all of the Special Ed students and put them into regular classrooms. Having taught Special Ed, I am now retired, I thought this was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen in Education. I had students who were so severly retarded they could not tie their own shoes and had to have a personal assistant follow them all over the school. This student wasn't teachable, yet he was in public school. At least he was in a group of students who were all retarded and not in the regular classroom where he sticks out like a sore thumb, and has no earthly idea what is going on. I pity the teacher or teachers who have to deal with this new classroom setup. I am for homogeneous groupings. Another social experiment in Education, and you wonder why Johnny can't read.


108 posted on 01/11/2007 8:04:05 AM PST by Yankereb
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To: rightsmart

Oh, I thought what you posted was the average teacher's salary! That's why I was asking about your school - I figured it must be an excellent private school to be able to pay the teachers that well. I only know of one nearby - in LA - that can afford to treat their teachers as well as the public schools do. But they charge $19,000 per year tuition!

Yes, your salary is low by public school standards for your education and your position. I see many private school teachers that are obviously doing a labor of love because they could make much, much more. (I also see many who aren't qualified to teach at all, but the nonaccredited private schools hire them anyway!). It's Caveat Emptor where private schools are concerned - some are worth their weight in gold and others just take the tuition money for little in return (I taught at one of those for all of one semester! I couldn't ethically stay there knowing the parents/students were paying so much and were being deceived).


109 posted on 01/11/2007 10:49:21 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: rightsmart

Oh, I thought what you posted was the average teacher's salary! That's why I was asking about your school - I figured it must be an excellent private school to be able to pay the teachers that well. I only know of one nearby - in LA - that can afford to treat their teachers as well as the public schools do. But they charge $19,000 per year tuition!

Yes, your salary is low by public school standards for your education and your position. I see many private school teachers that are obviously doing a labor of love because they could make much, much more. (I also see many who aren't qualified to teach at all, but the nonaccredited private schools hire them anyway!). It's Caveat Emptor where private schools are concerned - some are worth their weight in gold and others just take the tuition money for little in return (I taught at one of those for all of one semester! I couldn't ethically stay there knowing the parents/students were paying so much and were being deceived. And by so-called Christians, no less!).


110 posted on 01/11/2007 10:49:52 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: rightsmart

Oh, I thought what you posted was the average teacher's salary! That's why I was asking about your school - I figured it must be an excellent private school to be able to pay the teachers that well. I only know of one nearby - in LA - that can afford to treat their teachers as well as the public schools do. But they charge $19,000 per year tuition!

Yes, your salary is low by public school standards for your education and your position. I see many private school teachers that are obviously doing a labor of love because they could make much, much more. (I also see many who aren't qualified to teach at all, but the nonaccredited private schools hire them anyway!). It's Caveat Emptor where private schools are concerned - some are worth their weight in gold and others just take the tuition money for little in return (I taught at one of those for all of one semester! I couldn't ethically stay there knowing the parents/students were paying so much and were being deceived. And by so-called Christians, no less!).


111 posted on 01/11/2007 10:49:55 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: webboy45
Lies, lies, lies. My wife teaches for 7.5 hours and then comes home and works another 2-3 hours planning, making tests, and correcting tests and homework. She has to work more than 180 days, gets two months off in the summer (not three), and she's required to take classes to keep her certificate current. Her compensation is nowhere near what an engineer with a masters degree would get.

Well, I have both an engineering degree and a teaching credential. The engineering degree took an incredible amount of studying and work to get - and was based on a very solid math, chemistry, and physics background from high school. Conversely, my 'graduate' level education classes were a joke. I got all A's in those, didn't need to study very much, and all projects/essays were nothing more than opinion papers with a few references thrown in. And none of it was based on prior learning (which I would think graduate levels classes should be).

I tell my seniors that their job salaries will depend on the level of effort they put into their college classes. And taking the easy classes nets little money!
112 posted on 01/11/2007 10:57:08 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: Aquinasfan
Friend #1 graduated with a degree in Materials Science. He was earning more than his female friend (friend #2) who had a masters degree in social work. Friend #2 couldn't understand why Friend #1 earned more money. She was shocked and appalled. It takes a lot of schooling to get that stupid.

I think it starts in high school. I've met few counselors that actually have an idea of what the different majors are worth and what the job opportunities would be. They just encourage kids to take what they like.

I have a Powerpoint presentation that I showed my students showing about 20 college majors and the average annual salary of the graduates that year. Most kids had no ideas that some of the majors paid so little. Most were surprised that the top-paying degrees were based on math - this was my reason for showing the slides since I was teaching math and trying to encourage them to consider careers in physics, engineering, or math ;)
113 posted on 01/11/2007 11:00:54 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: rightsmart

You don't happen to be at a classical school by any chance?


114 posted on 01/11/2007 11:07:51 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: shrinkermd

Are you saying that American kids are just dumber than kids in other countries?

Anyway, the quality of public school education is inversely proportionate to the growth of the NEA.


115 posted on 01/11/2007 11:14:43 AM PST by Eva
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To: cinives
"You can't eat off your IQ; only skills will get you a decent income."

Good citizens is what our educational system was set up to produce....

that does not mean we need everyone to be an engineer, a pilot, a doctor or a lawyer.... it means having parents know a thing or two about child raising....that doesn't take a genius.....

we need people to be able to read a voter's pamphlet and understand what they are voting for.....

so ...a job to earn money....know how to raise children...know how to vote.....

in all these cases, the schools have done very poorly.....

116 posted on 01/11/2007 11:15:59 AM PST by cherry
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To: All
A woman I dated back in the mid 90's had a teaching job in NY.. The local union was upset by all the parent participation and the effect if would have on the teaching agenda. They encouraged the local PTA and school board to end the parental input toward the teaching agenda. The parents were concerned that the kids were being socially indoctrinated by leftist in the classroom.
My girlfriend ( a science teacher at the time)was appalled when the rep suggested to her that she not hold so many parent meetings by "not making herself too available". See, she was making the cultural studies and english teachers look bad because they were tired of defending their material to nosey parents.
This is why my wife and I both decided to send our kids to private school.
117 posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:05 AM PST by newnhdad
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To: CottonBall

I'm not concerned with children learning which jobs pay the most. I think children should learn to follow their vocation in life. What I'm concerned about is their lack of understanding of basic economics.


118 posted on 01/11/2007 11:33:58 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: cherry
Good citizens is what our educational system was set up to produce....

That's what I was told too. But it's not true.

The truth is far more interesting, however tragic.

The Underground History of American Education.

119 posted on 01/11/2007 11:36:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Oberon

"You don't happen to be at a classical school by any chance?"

No, but I know of a few of those that are faith-based as we are and do an excellent job.


120 posted on 01/11/2007 12:06:44 PM PST by rightsmart
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