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To: spunkets; xzins; blue-duncan
She had pneumonia. In case you don't know, pneumonia is painful and you know your going to die if you don't get the antibiotics.

You don't know the facts of this case. She never thought she had pneumonia, but ultimately it killed her by taxing her heart.

I brought up this case because it serves as a real life example of how our health care system is broken and how something needs to be done. To be frank, this lady could not have gotten insurance on her own and had to take a job with a large company in order to get it at all. She was required to wait at least 6 months before converage could start. She had some other conditions that essentially made her uninsurable and ultimately contributed to her death. I suspect that if she had health insurance or some reasonable alternative, then she would have sought treatment instead of trying to self treat with cold medications.

Right now I am paying not only for my own health insurance, but also for the non-payors, illegal aliens, deadbeats and cheats. And because of our ligitation mess, the costs of insurance for someone on the fringes is simply astronomical.

I'm not convinced that the governator's plan will work, it probably won't. But something needs to be done. People are dying out there for lack of coverage. We can fall back on our knee jerk conservatism, but the fact is that not having insurance and not having legitimate access to it can kill you or destroy your life.

Don't tell me that some single mother working at an entry level job can "afford" health insurance. If it were not provided by my employer (along with all the group discounts) I know for a fact that I would have a difficult time getting it on my own. Indeed, I suspect that I am probably uninsurable at this point in my life, so in the absense of a group policy, I'm outa luck.

With this plan, no one would be out of luck. everyone would be given the opportunity to have access to "affordable" health coverage.

69 posted on 01/08/2007 9:19:02 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
"You don't know the facts of this case. She never thought she had pneumonia, but ultimately it killed her by taxing her heart."

I sure do. You said pneumonia. That's all I need to know. Pneumonia doesn't tax the heart. It's possible septicemia set in and the particular bug attacked her heart muscle. Regardless, antibiotics would have shut it down fast and cheap. That's assuming the docs could ID pneumonia and differentiate the possible causes, which most can't.

"I brought up this case because it serves as a real life example of how our health care system is broken and how something needs to be done."

It's not an example of how the system's broken. It's an example of how the system is a complicated monopolistic scheme. You're advocating forced charity, no more, no less.

"Right now I am paying not only for my own health insurance, but also for the non-payors, illegal aliens, deadbeats and cheats."

As I said, nothing will reduce that. You'll simply pay more and so will others. There will be no incentive for folks to work hard to afford it. They simply pass the cost on to someone else and spend their money elsewhere until freedom is gone altogether.

"People are dying out there for lack of coverage."

No they're not.

"Don't tell me that some single mother working at an entry level job can "afford" health insurance."

Where's daddy? Why is she single? Why wasn't she keen enough to catch on that she had pneumonia and could use the existing state of CA insurance?

Last person to complain to me about the lack of "single payer" was bitching about having to pay $75 out of her own pocket to treat the poison ivy she got herself into. She thought I should pay, because she didn't have any money. BS.

"With this plan, no one would be out of luck. everyone would be given the opportunity to have access to "affordable" health coverage."

Affordable? You're joking right? You're just advocating hiding the cost to benefit the politicians and those engaged in the healthcare monopoly.

76 posted on 01/08/2007 9:38:11 PM PST by spunkets
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To: P-Marlowe

People should educate themselves on what the cost of raising a family is before they have the kids.

Arnie's plan is nothing but another wealth redistribution plan. If you think for one second that your premiums will go DOWN with this plan, you're stark, raving nuts or retarded.


122 posted on 01/09/2007 2:33:12 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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