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Calif. gov calls for universal coverage
Yahoo! News ^ | 1/8/07 | LAURA KURTZMAN

Posted on 01/08/2007 1:42:34 PM PST by libertarianPA

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Schwarzenegger: Everyone must have health insurance

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21 posted on 01/08/2007 3:48:45 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Sword_Svalbardt

Moderate, border-line liberal?
You're being to kind.

Sounds more like bordering SOCIALIST!


22 posted on 01/08/2007 4:09:50 PM PST by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: libertarianPA
"All children, regardless of their immigration status, would be covered through an expansion of the state and federal Healthy Families program. "

Why wait until they illegally enter from Mexico?

Why not just tax the crap out of Kalifornians and pay for ALL Mexican children, whether in Mexico City or San Diego?

Where's the compassion and concern "for the chilren"????

/semi-sarc

23 posted on 01/08/2007 4:12:35 PM PST by traditional1
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To: P-Marlowe

>I am not particularly against this proposal

LOL! Yeah, you and Karl Marx. - force the peasants into collectives. LOL!


24 posted on 01/08/2007 4:28:41 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: libertarianPA

> all Californians would be required to have insurance

Snort! Or what? What exactly will big brother do if you do not?

All of you thinking that this is creeping socialism are misguided. Communism is the correct term applied here.


25 posted on 01/08/2007 4:31:57 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Chili Girl
Like we can all afford to pay for all these illegals!

We're paying for them now at ER rates. The choice was for us to keep paying a grand per flu case, or pay doctor's office rates. The dictators in black robes won't allow us the option of simply not paying for them.

26 posted on 01/08/2007 4:34:53 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: P-Marlowe
At least with this proposal the burden is shared between businesses, individuals, government and insurance companies.

Add doctors and hospitals to your list, 2 percent for the former, 4 percent for the latter.

27 posted on 01/08/2007 4:36:53 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: bill1952
Exactly. Here is what his prepared text has:
My solution is that everyone in California must have insurance. If you can’t afford it, the state will help you buy it, but you must be insured.
I guess Californians woke up in Russia this morning. No doubt we here in the People's Republic of New York will find ourselves waking up there soon ourselves.
28 posted on 01/08/2007 4:38:56 PM PST by Dahoser (Never question Mr. Nibbles!)
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To: bill1952
What exactly will big brother do if you do not

That question was asked at the news conference. The answer is, "enroll you". Obviously, the next question is 'what happens if you don't pay the bill'? No answer on that one yet.

29 posted on 01/08/2007 4:39:27 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: bill1952
LOL! Yeah, you and Karl Marx. - force the peasants into collectives. LOL!

Would you say that Workers Compensation is a commie idea? Employers are required to purchase workers compensation insurance, so why can't they be required to either pay a portion of health insurance or pay the state for medical insurance? The alternative is that the burden of all these uninsured people falls solely on the state and hence the taxpayer.

Right now my taxes are paying for all these uninsured patients that are crowding out and forcing shut all the emergency rooms. Federal law mandates that emergency rooms must treat everyone that comes in, so why should that burden fall solely on the taxpayers and hospitals? As long as medical care is mandated by the federal government, I think it is bad stewardship not to see that the burden imposed by that law is not spread out to businesses, individuals, insurance companies and the state.

30 posted on 01/08/2007 4:41:02 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Add doctors and hospitals to your list, 2 percent for the former, 4 percent for the latter.

That will undoubtedly be a welcome relief as right now they are carrying the brunt of the uninsured crisis by being defrauded by people with medical needs and no ability to pay. I'm sure they'd all trade 2 or 4 percent in exchange for a guaranteed payment from anyone they are required to treat.

31 posted on 01/08/2007 4:44:17 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Emergency Rooms are a very inefficient way to treat many patients. They're expensive to maintain and offer no preventative care. But the uninsured use them as their primary doctor. So you get a lot of crowding and folks with conditions that have gotten out of control, but could have been easily cured if caught earlier.


32 posted on 01/08/2007 4:44:56 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
But the uninsured use them as their primary doctor. So you get a lot of crowding and folks with conditions that have gotten out of control, but could have been easily cured if caught earlier.

I recently dealt with a case where a young woman had no health insurance (but was honest enough not to attempt to defraud the system by using the emergency room under a false name). She caught pneumonia and didn't even know it. She thought she had a bad cold. She took over the counter cold medicine, which did nothing but hide some of her symptoms and aggravate her condition. She's dead now. Her young children will be a burden on the state for the next 15 years.

33 posted on 01/08/2007 4:52:33 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Ever owned a business? I'm damn sure that you haven't.

The comp is not only a legal mess, but it is formed so as to limit coverage or knocks on private insurance.

Of course it is a quote "commie idea." endquote.

Employees, by and large hate it, and in fact, when injured, almost nobody uses it without a team of lawyers working for them and skimming off any awards. - See where the money goes? look in the Yellow pages under Lawyers, Workman's Comp.

And here who pays 100% of the bill. - The consumer.

When I was working for myself in the construction industry, I could underbid any competition by 25 - 40% - all because of comp. - you don't have to have it for yourself.

Most every leftist - like you - doesn't really understand that "employers" don't "pay" anything. - YOU DO.

If you perceive burdens, then work to reverse what has not been working well, ie socialism in Health care, not pile on more. You are going to be left with no insurers, less businesses, and more taxation, not to mention officially earning your new laughingstock title as "North Mexico.
Adios.
34 posted on 01/08/2007 4:54:21 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: P-Marlowe

That's sad, but not as scary as stuff like Hep B through Z going untreated. A friend of mine recently got a letter in the mail stating that one of the food service employees who served him at an event had Hep B (I think it was B) and he should get checked out.


35 posted on 01/08/2007 4:56:13 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: libertarianPA
A)"The question really isn't to treat them or not to treat them. The question really is how can you treat them in the most cost-effective way.

B) Insurers would no longer be allowed to deny coverage to people because of their medical problems.

Brilliant. That would be like not allowing home insurers to deny coverage to applicants AFTER their house has caught fire.

36 posted on 01/08/2007 5:50:10 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: libertarianPA

I was there, in California, when he was begging for votes. I distinctly remember him saying that he would make it EASIER for business to survive in California. What the hell?


37 posted on 01/08/2007 5:52:38 PM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: P-Marlowe

All she needed to do was to go to urgent care. I don't care if the bill was $500. If your car broke down, wouldn't you go get the freaking thing fixed...beg, borrow or steal to have your vehicle back? it's too bad people don't feel their bodies are as important as their damn cars.


38 posted on 01/08/2007 5:55:29 PM PST by Hildy (Words are mere bubbles of water...but deeds are drops of gold.)
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To: Hildy

They understand their cars better than they understand their bodies.


39 posted on 01/08/2007 5:56:58 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: libertarianPA

It may seem like it sometimes, but it isn't the case. The Democrats wanted drivers licenses for illegals, and Arnold turned them down twice. They wanted to tax everything possible, and Arnold said no. Arnold has liberal points, but is far better than anything Angelides would have wrought.


40 posted on 01/08/2007 6:04:24 PM PST by oneamericanvoice
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