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Whither the Scots? (Independence on the near horizon?)
National Post - Canada ^ | Monday, January 08, 2007 | John O' Sullivan

Posted on 01/08/2007 10:30:49 AM PST by GMMAC

Whither the Scots?

John O' Sullivan

National Post
Monday, January 08, 2007


Scotland's New Year -- known as Hogmanay -- is traditionally celebrated more uproariously than any other day of the year. But New Year, 2007, includes two events in the Scottish calendar that could create an enormous hangover for the full year. Compared to Canada's own secessionist murmurings -- which have been quelled (for the moment) by Stephen Harper's clever resolution designating Quebec as a nation "within a united Canada" -- the U.K. may be in for a rough ride.

The first event on the horizon is the 300th anniversary of the 1707 Act of Union that formed the United Kingdom of Great Britain. This Union has proved to be one of the most successful political associations in history.

It led to the Anglo-Scottish enlightenment, the industrial revolution and the creation of an empire spanning the globe. Usually, it would be celebrated with the pomp and circumstance that the British have elevated to one of the fine arts.

Except for the second event. That's the May election for the devolved Scottish parliament. On present trends, this will make the Scottish National Party (SNP) the single largest party in Scotland. Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, has promised an early referendum on breaking up the Union and creating an independent Scotland. So Scotland might both celebrate the 1707 Act of Union and dissolve it in the same year.

How come? There is growing support within Scotland for independence. As well as forecasting that the SNP will be the largest party with about one-third of the total vote, opinion polls show that more Scots favour independence than oppose it. One recent poll registered 52% support for full independence.

This has surprised British politicians. Prime Minister Tony Blair thought he had headed off independence by creating a devolved Scottish parliament in a new quasifederal U.K. as his first major reform eight years ago. But all that devolution achieved in Scotland was a brief pause before Scottish nationalism resumed its upward trend. It will be hard for Scotland's other parties --Labour, the Lib-Dems and the Tories -- to resist the SNP's referendum if Scottish public opinion continues to be increasingly nationalist.

Unfortunately for Blair, moreover, Scottish devolution has had a larger impact in England than in Scotland. It created a growing awareness that the Scots felt themselves to be very different from the English and even slightly hostile to them. That in turn directed the attention of the English to certain political facts they had hitherto taken for granted but that now seemed unfair.

In particular:

- Britain's public expenditure includes a US$50-billion subsidy for Scotland. Thus, the average Scot obtains 30% more from the public expenditure than his English counterpart.

- Scottish MPs in the U.K. Parliament get to vote on all issues affecting England, but English MPs are barred from voting on issues that come under the Scottish Parliament.

- Labour is in an almost permanent minority in England, but Britain has a Labour government because of Scottish votes.

- And, finally, a high percentage of Labour cabinet ministers are Scots -- including the likely next prime minister, Gordon Brown. (Tony Blair is a Scot too, but not very noticeably.) As long as the English and Scots saw each other as primarily British, members of the same national community, such things didn't matter. Once devolution emphasized the differences between them, however, the English began to resent these transfers as unfair. Fifty-nine per cent of English voters now support Scottish independence.

Britain's main political parties are strongly opposed to any such move. Labour is opposed to Scottish independence because it would rob them of power in England (which has a population of over 50 million compared to Scotland's five million). Blair and Brown in particular are horrified by the prospect of an independent Scotland -- Blair because he would go down in history as the prime minister who presided over the breakup of the U.K., and Brown because he would cease to be prime minister in a very short time, perhaps even before he got the job.

In the coming year, we can expect a rash of official scare stories from Blair and Brown, joined on this occasion by their Tory opponents, about the dire consequences of breaking up the U.K. Don't ever underestimate the ability of a united political establishment to sway the voters. But the trend toward separatist nationalism in Britain is now strong and well-established. An irresistible force is on schedule to meet an immovable object. The outcome is unknowable.

But the lessons are already clear for the United Kingdom -- and for other multi-national and multi-ethnic polities such as Canada and the United States. National feeling, patriotism, loyalty and a sense of common allegiance exist in the hearts of men and women.

The legal bonds of even very successful political societies are as spun sugar compared to the ties that bind the heart and the imagination. Multi-national and multi-ethnic societies have to work hard at keeping these ties strong and meaningful precisely because their populations are ethnically diverse. If pride in their common nationality is allowed to decay, then different ethnic groups will soon discover their differences and resent common sacrifices. Multicultural Britain forgot this lesson.

In 1907, on the 200th anniversary of the Act of Union, Scottish independence would have struck both Scots and English as an absurd betrayal of a great heritage. This year it will be a serious choice on the ballot paper.

What will be the choices facing the American voter in 2076? Or the Canadian (and, in particular, Quebec) voter well before the 100th anniversary of Trudeau's patriated constitution? Fine words about nationhood emanating from Ottawa might not be enough to control the sort of centrifugal forces now on display in the country known, for now, as the United Kingdom.

John O'Sullivan is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington, editor-at-large of National Review magazine and a member of Benador Associates.

© National Post 2007


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: actofunion; canada; quebec; scotland; secessionist; separatist; uk; union
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To: UWconservative; Borges
Historians estimate that the free population of Athens in the 5th century BC was about 15-20 thousand. Maybe 40,000 for Renaissance Florence.

The population of England during the Elizabethan Age was probably 1.5-2 million with a London population of 150,000.

41 posted on 01/08/2007 1:21:51 PM PST by wideawake
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To: driftless2
It's currently about 55/45 Protestant, and the Catholic birthrate is dropping - but not as quickly as the Protestant birthrate.

In 20 years there will likely be a Catholic majority.

42 posted on 01/08/2007 1:23:53 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
And the Scots today bear little resemblance to William Wallace, since the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish National Party are aggressively socialist and believe in coercively disarming the people.

And lets not forget how they just seem to be kissing Muslim Butt left and right either

43 posted on 01/08/2007 1:53:21 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: ConservativeDude; GMMAC; Borges
The interesting thing about Scotland is that in the century following the Act Of Union there was a Scottish Renaissance that produced its finest poet (Burns), one of the world's greatest economists (Adam Smith), one of history's key engineers (James Watt), one of the world's finest biographers (James Boswell), and some of the most influential philosophers (Francis Hutcheson, David Hume).

All of this intellectual ferment happened in and around Edinburgh and Glasgow, cities of maybe 50,000 people each.

44 posted on 01/08/2007 2:02:23 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Don't forget Thomas Reid!

Without Reid...(perhaps) no Witherspoon...without Witherspoon...(perhaps) no Madison...without Madison...(perhaps) no Constitution.

Yes, you are right. The Scottish Renaissance is very important, indeed.


45 posted on 01/08/2007 2:56:15 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

Reese Witherspoon is a descendant of that particular Signer.


46 posted on 01/08/2007 3:06:20 PM PST by Borges
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To: GMMAC

It's not right for the elite in one country to block attempts of people in another country to start businesses then to blame them for taking more tax revenues for survival.


47 posted on 01/08/2007 3:11:55 PM PST by familyop
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To: cicero's_son
The Scots would still be living in huts and sh*tting in holes if it weren't for the Brits.

I quite like sh*tting in a hole.

48 posted on 01/08/2007 3:48:27 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: sionnsar
It would be the worst thing that ever happened to Scotland since the Battle of Flodden

They would immediately try to tax themselves into prosperity!

An independent Scotland without the North Sea oil revenue would last about 10 minutes. There is no indigenous industry and not much for resources.

Scotland's people were its greatest export....

49 posted on 01/08/2007 3:58:40 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: GMMAC
Someplace I have read that the first English dictionary defined oats as a cereal which is fed to men in Scotland and to horses in England.
After reading this some Scottish parson exclaimed, that's why England is noted for the quality of its horses; and Scotland is noted for the quality of its men.
50 posted on 01/08/2007 5:35:56 PM PST by curmudgeonII (One man...and the Lord...are a majority.)
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To: ConservativeDude
I'll stand by my openly credited source, Duncan A. Bruce, since given the esteemed view Burke's Peerage takes of his scholarship, it will surely take considerably more than your mere nay-saying to refute it.
51 posted on 01/08/2007 6:42:47 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

He may be a good historian of Scotland. But he doesn't know squat about American history. I'll stand by my facts. Your source can have his opinions.


52 posted on 01/08/2007 6:57:49 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ctdonath2
In yet another move positively worthy of Karl Rove, Harper simultaneously thoroughly out maneuvered the separatist Bloc Quebecois & compelled the Liberals & NDP to support the Conservative government's stated policy with respect to Quebec.
There's a good summary here & you can easily find out more by Googling 'news: Harper + Quebec + nation'.
53 posted on 01/08/2007 6:59:51 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: rellimpank

LOL!


54 posted on 01/08/2007 7:02:40 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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To: ConservativeDude
Bruce is actually an American historian of Scots descent and you seem to have your so far unsubstantiated opinions confused with facts he's established through his well recognized scholarship.
55 posted on 01/08/2007 7:06:25 PM PST by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: sionnsar
Do you know "The Lament for the Union of Scotland and England"?

It's a piobaireachd but I've taken out some of the grace notes and play it as a slow air - very pretty.

http://www.musicaviva.com/midi/music.tpl?filnavn=lament-union-bpe2
56 posted on 01/08/2007 9:05:01 PM PST by decal (Too many people mistake "tolerance" for "approval.")
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To: cicero's_son

I sincerely hope that you are joking....

Firstly Britain is England,Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland.So like most Americans,when you bang on about 'the Brits' it is clear you havent got a clue what you are talking about....England and Britain are not the same,got that?.

Oh as for our 'barbarity'....just remember that the Celts and Picts were creating art and literature when England's Anglo-Saxon forebears didnt even have a written language....


57 posted on 01/15/2007 2:38:39 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

touchy, touchy.

you sound like one of the cavemen in the Geico commercials. Lighten up.


58 posted on 01/15/2007 2:40:27 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: wideawake

Wideawake:

1--The English did not 'conquer' Scotland in 1290,in fact that year the two nations signed the Treaty of Birham which specifically states that England had no legal right to claim overlordship of Scotland.

2--The physical occupation of Scotland took place only in 1296,not 1290.

3--Not only did the Scots expel the English in 1314 from Scotland after Bannockburn,BUT you are amazingly ignoring the 1328 Treaty of Northampton where England legally recognised Scotland's existance as an independent nation.


59 posted on 01/15/2007 2:43:02 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: cicero's_son

Touchy I may be,but mate,I make it a habit to know my stuff before I post....

Perhaps you should too.

Confusing England and Britain is schoolboy stuff and plays right into our stereotype of the geographically and historically ignorant 'Yank'.


60 posted on 01/15/2007 2:45:35 PM PST by the scotsman
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