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Teacher Support for the Duke Players
Time ^ | 1/6/07 | PAUL CUADROS

Posted on 01/06/2007 10:46:32 AM PST by freespirited

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To: ZOOKER

"A public apology seems to be in order here"

Screw the apolgy. I hope a big hole appears in everyone of the 88 teachers pockets after, I hope, he sues them too.


41 posted on 01/06/2007 1:21:41 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: kjo

"Conservative professors are pretty much extinct at all public universities."

Time to establish a cyberspace interactive Conservative University.

No need for a building, dorms, tenure. Just create curricula, test by internet and post grades by email.

That will stop all the propaganda in the classroom. Students will not have to listen to daily garbage passed off as lectures or intellect.

IMHO


42 posted on 01/06/2007 1:38:48 PM PST by sodpoodle (There are more sparrows than eagles!)
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To: CFC__VRWC

Even at Duke, I think there are a few good professors, as there still are at Princeton and Yale, and even at Harvard Law School.

I went to Harvard back in the 50s. Most of the faculty were liberals, but I chose my courses carefully and enjoyed almost all of them. Even the required courses offered a spectrum of faculty. I suppose things are worse, now, and it might be hard to stay clear of all the bad professors.


43 posted on 01/06/2007 2:24:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: highimpact

It could be. Certainly there are quite a number of egregious professors at Duke in the humanities. I know a few of them. I just can't believe there wasn't somebody better than this jerk, but maybe you're right.


44 posted on 01/06/2007 2:31:48 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: freespirited
Kim Curtis is a graduate of San Francisco State University, one of the top three ulta-radical, ultra-leftwing schools in the nation, along with Antioch University in Ohio and Evergreen State College in Washington. She's a visiting assistant prof at 50, a very low rank for her age, and a recent arrival at Duke, which tends to suggest she's had poor evaluations as a teacher for her entire career.

KC Johnson, the brilliant Brooklyn College prof who's been blogging the case from the beginning, today read all three papers Dowd submitted for grade, and found the last one, which Curtis gave an 'F', to be the best of the three. He said he would've given it a B or a C.

There's more to the story. Apparently, Curtis was actively involved in suppressing a Duke student's account of harassment by a student at NCCC (North Carolina Community College, the school attended by the stripper). This was happening right about the time she was failing Dowd and another lacrosse player in her class. There's also quite a bit of internet posting by Curtis, some of it containing pretty controversial and strident points of view, that you can be sure Dowd's attorney saved to his own server long before the suit became public.

Unless Duke pays off quietly, the fireworks from this one should be interesting.

45 posted on 01/06/2007 3:20:12 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: freespirited

THE DUKE FANCY DANCING HAS BEGUN! The faculty that was willing to send innocent men to prison for their left-wing social agenda is now scurrying like rats to save their reputations from public rebuke. No matter what you do and say now, some of us will remember what you did and said then.


46 posted on 01/06/2007 3:24:30 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: freespirited
As one of my favorite authors, Kingsley Amis, once put it: "The reason why academic disputes are so bitter is that the stakes are so small!"
47 posted on 01/06/2007 3:24:37 PM PST by BlazingArizona (co)
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To: ZOOKER

You should come over to the DUKELAX threads that are ongoing; I have been stunned at some of the stuff they are involved in.

And people wonder why this country is going to hell?


48 posted on 01/06/2007 4:14:57 PM PST by Howlin (Not voting GOP was like being thirsty but not drinking since the glass is only 75% full ~~SoCalPol)
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To: beckett; ZOOKER

There was quite a discussion yesterday on the last DUKELAX thread about why this woman is still a visiting professor after ten years.

"Thin" is the word I saw used to describe her CV -- and the explaination of why she's still there seems to involve some sort of "slot being filled," if I understood what I read from the people who know about stuff like that on that thread.


49 posted on 01/06/2007 4:18:16 PM PST by Howlin (Not voting GOP was like being thirsty but not drinking since the glass is only 75% full ~~SoCalPol)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

My guess is this isn't liberals turning on each other, but conservative professors finally speaking up. Econ tends to be the only social science department with a fair percentage of conservatives (not surprisingly, since if one studies the subject seriously, one realizes that the left's ideas on it are at best hopelessly naive, at worst a deliberate snow-job perpetrated as a power-grab).


50 posted on 01/06/2007 4:24:43 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: sodpoodle
"Conservative professors are pretty much extinct at all public universities."

Not so, though most of us (not including myself on either count) are either folks who grew up under communism and know that the left is either evil or naive, or ag professors at land-grant universities.

51 posted on 01/06/2007 4:28:11 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Howlin
There's something else about Baker you may not have come across yet, Howlin. His wife, Charlotte Pierce-Baker, also a college professor who went from Duke to Vanderbilt with him, was raped some years ago while he was in the house. The perpetrators kept Baker forcibly restrained while they assaulted his wife. She's written extensively about the ordeal, including a book ("Surviving the Silence: Black Women's Stories of Rape" (1998)), that's sold fairly well.

Many observers have attributed Baker's angry black radicalism to the incident, and cut him some slack. But it's interesting to note that he seldom if ever mentions the race of the criminals who invaded his home. I wonder if that's because they're African-American.

Terry Teachout, probably the most emininent culture critic working today, has reviewed Baker's work, which deals in the study of inner-city, rap, hip-hop culture. He skewered him savagely, and basically called the work worthless.

52 posted on 01/06/2007 4:35:52 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: The_Reader_David; kjo

"Conservative professors are pretty much extinct at all public universities."

is kjo's post.

This writer is not a product of USA University


53 posted on 01/06/2007 4:37:18 PM PST by sodpoodle (There are more sparrows than eagles!)
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To: beckett

I skimmed over that today, so thanks for the synopsis; did you read that email he wrote to the person who asked him to support the team now, in light of the revelations that have come out.

What a disgusting person he is; I wonder if Vanderbilt is thrilled to have him and her!


54 posted on 01/06/2007 4:38:59 PM PST by Howlin (Not voting GOP was like being thirsty but not drinking since the glass is only 75% full ~~SoCalPol)
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To: Howlin
did you read that email he wrote to the person who asked him to support the team now, in light of the revelations that have come out

Oh yes, I read it, with jaw hanging open. What kind of person would call a woman the "mother of a farm animal?" Who would do that? Who could be that nuts, that angry, that insensitive, that plain nasty? Who would ever believe that a college professor could even think of saying something like that to the mother of a student?

Can you imagine the public outrage if a white professor called the mother of a black student the "mother of an...animal?"

Baker is obviously more than slightly off his rocker. Some have suggested he has a booze problem and was in his cups when the email was written. Be that as it may, the email discloses the workings of a sad, angry, diseased mind. Vanderbilt is the loser for accepting him on its faculty.

55 posted on 01/06/2007 4:53:32 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Liberty Wins
Good point. In the best of all capitalist worlds, people will purchase the superior product. Remember that in Adam Smith's time the students paid their professors directly, with no administrative middleman in between.

The change came during the 60's and 70's, much of it as a result of the various "Civil Rights Acts" and the Griggs v Duke Power Co decision, which made it far harder for tests that had "disparate impact" (ie, fewer blacks pass) be used in employment decisions.

After that, a college degree from a good school became more valuable as a way to get past the HR gateway, which means that to an increasing degree those who control the colleges, also control who gets a good job and advances into positions of power

Take away the Civil Rights Acts, allow employers to hire whom they please, and you would see a trend for employers to hire bright young people fresh out of high school, and let them persue the education on a part-time basis over the course of their careers. In such an environment, the power of the Left would be greatly diminished

56 posted on 01/06/2007 6:01:47 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: sodpoodle
Not to defend libs, but when it comes to college professors, liberal does not always equal bad. I'm sure that many of my profs were moderate to flaming libs, and I still managed to get a decent education.

The sore thumbs really stick out, though....I had a speech prof that informed the class that she hated engineers, especially hated male engineers, and that it would be a cold day in hell before she gave any of us an 'A'. It was a required class, the alternative prof's clas was hard to get into (obviously), so I got my 'C' and got out.

I hope that she's still there and making little-to-no pay, in her crappy little nowhere teaching job, while I've moved on to bigger and better things. In fact, I might go and try to look her up on the school's website. :-)

57 posted on 01/06/2007 6:59:05 PM PST by wbill
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To: freespirited
Dowd's younger brother Craig was expected to enroll at Duke last fall on a lacrosse scholarship, but he turned it down and will enroll at Georgetown University this spring.

He'd be better off at Duke.

58 posted on 01/06/2007 7:12:03 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Cicero

This is a copy of an email that I sent to this "professor" at kcurtis@acpub.duke.edu

Schadenfreude. I never really appreciated the nuances of this word until I beheld the burgeoning fallout from this incident. I LOVE to see liberals like you hoisted on the petard of Political Correctness, racial identity politics, gender determinint feminism and what I have coined as "Tawana Brawley Syndrome".

TBS exists when one takes a historical reality such as the marginalization of innocent blacks within a once overtly racist crminal justice syndrome or the past subjagation of women or any number of other offenses and attempts to apply that to a contemporary situation wherein the objective facts don't apply; ala OJ Simpson, Rodney King, Anita Hill etc.

Aside from the fact that petty tyrants like you have turned US college campuses into little ivy covered North Koreas, I suspect that you were seeking to appropriate PC bonus points and obtain instant moral authority by championing the cause of the "other" (marginalized black exotic dancer) against racist male chauvinist members of the privliged white elite. A case of cultural Marxist Class warfare that boomeranged. GOD how I love it so!!!!!

Even though I despise the racial identity politics that mindlessly multicultural cultural Marxists like you have fostered amongst my people to our ultimate detriment, I would like to state that I am a black man living in the heart of Chicago's South Side ghetto, who values the rule of law and truth as best as it can be objectively and humanly determined.

It would be fitting if he gets a pretty penny from you.


59 posted on 01/06/2007 8:03:29 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: beckett
Apparently, Curtis was actively involved in suppressing a Duke student's account of harassment by a student at NCCC (North Carolina Community College, the school attended by the stripper).

You are so right. I remember reading this; the complaint, buried amid the initial uproar of the "Guilty Until Proven Innocent" uprising.

And.. "Guilty Until Proven Innocent" is EXACTLY how this case has been run by Nifong. Bass-Ackward.

60 posted on 01/06/2007 8:33:00 PM PST by Alia
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