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Drive Times: State Can't Do More of the Same & Expect a Different Result
Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | January 4, 2006 | A. BARTON HINKLE

Posted on 01/06/2007 6:55:23 AM PST by iceskater

Your humble servant was asked to give a talk on transportation yesterday....

For instance, one might question the received wisdom that the Commonwealth faces a transportation crisis. Six years ago, according to AAA, the average daily commute to work in America was 25.5 minutes.... The average commute in 2006 actually has shrunk -- to 25.1 minutes. It's now 24 seconds shorter than it was six years ago. (Thanks to Jim Bacon of www.baconsrebellion.com for unearthing this datum.) And contrary to the agonizing screams of frustration that you hear from Northern Virginia, commuting times around Washington aren't that much longer -- about 8 minutes longer than the national average. The average commute time around Northern Virginia takes about as long as the average commute in Chicago. Even Prince William, with one of the longest commuting times in the nation -- 36.4 minutes -- is only a couple minutes worse off than the Windy City.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesdispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: anotherboondoggle; factsdontlie; lyingdems; notaxesforroads
The best article I've seen on why the "transportation crisis" in Virginia isn't really a crisis.

Reminds me of the manufactured budget crisis of M.Warner. Same song, different verse.

1 posted on 01/06/2007 6:55:28 AM PST by iceskater
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To: iceskater; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; AdSimp; society-by-contract; ...

Richmond ping.

This guy gives so much data on the alleged transporation crisis.


2 posted on 01/06/2007 6:57:38 AM PST by iceskater (One person's mess is another person's filing system.)
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To: iceskater

Great info. Thanks.


3 posted on 01/06/2007 7:10:40 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: iceskater
"In other words, you're generally going to spend between 15 and 30 minutes getting to work no matter where you live or how you commute."

The reason the average commute is around 30 minutes is because people choose places to live that pre-select for that figure.

As a personal example--the company that my wife works for is planning to move from their current location to one at greater distance--which would mean a "more than one hour" commute one way. As a result, we plan to sell our current house, and buy a new one closer to her new workplace--which will mean "about a half-hour" commute for both of us (instead of her current 25 minutes and my current 5 minutes).

4 posted on 01/06/2007 7:30:20 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: iceskater

This is great information. I will try to think about this while I'm sitting on the 14th Street Bridge headed for the 3rd Street tunnel driving on the worst-designed stretch of freeway in the world.


5 posted on 01/06/2007 7:39:14 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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To: iceskater
Image hosted by Photobucket.com19miles, 25minutes flat...
6 posted on 01/06/2007 7:50:34 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: iceskater

Well my, admittedly ancedotal, evidence says the author needs to spend more time on 395 in the mornings. 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to go 18 miles is insanity.


7 posted on 01/06/2007 7:55:05 AM PST by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: 3AngelaD

I HATE that bridge. H A T E it.


8 posted on 01/06/2007 7:56:28 AM PST by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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...evidence says the author needs to spend more time on 395 in the mornings. 45 minutes to 1.5 hours to go 18 miles is insanity.

First he said average commute.

Now, the two of you may not be calling for it. But I have little patience with NOVA-ers and folks from Hampton Roads calling for more money for transportation when in 2002 both regions soundly rejected sales tax increase referendums for transportation.

9 posted on 01/06/2007 8:27:46 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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Thing is, I don't trust the governor and the state legislature to do what they say they're going to do with any tax increase that might be approved. We could approve a tax increase for highways and they are prefectly capable of turning around and using it to build free housing for illegal aliens, or something equally counterproductive instead of improving the roads.


10 posted on 01/06/2007 8:40:50 AM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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Oh you're absolutely right they can't be trusted. If they could, they would have already found money for transportation in the already over-bloated budget.


11 posted on 01/06/2007 8:42:55 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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Oh I agree. I absolutely will not support a tax increase to fix the roads- because the money never GETS to the roads. And, as we all have seen, the only thing that happens when you add more lanes or more roads is that there are more cars to fill up the space you created.

The ONLY good road improvement project I've seen in this area is the Springfield interchange
12 posted on 01/06/2007 9:04:36 AM PST by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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If they could, they would have already found money for transportation in the already over-bloated budget

If they wanted, they would have found the money. They don't want to. The dems don't want to because it makes the Repubs look bad. The repubs don't want to because they don't want to have the finger pointed at them for cutting someone's precious budget boondoggle. And Timmy boy has made the argument that it's either roads or schools, or a tax increase to do both. How about no tax increase and realign the budget?

13 posted on 01/06/2007 9:59:27 AM PST by iceskater (One person's mess is another person's filing system.)
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How about no tax increase and realign the budget?

Now that's a proposal I could really grap hold of.

14 posted on 01/06/2007 10:14:49 AM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Richmond, rush hour, Ha!


15 posted on 01/06/2007 4:53:06 PM PST by relee
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Richmond, rush hour, Ha!

And that's supposed to mean...exactly what?

I didn't see anyone saying that traffic was worse in Richmond than it is in Nova or Hampton Roads.

16 posted on 01/06/2007 5:18:11 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://wardsmythe.com)
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Did I hear correctly that King Kaine wants to up the tax on new cars? Never mind the fact that Virginians already pay the equivalent of one extra car payment (or more) to get a new vehicle as we speak.

Kaine pontificates that he and his socialist party are "for the little guy", but he's attempting to tax all but the very rich out of affording a new car every 5 years or more.


17 posted on 01/07/2007 8:03:40 AM PST by Darnright
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To: iceskater

But it’s a great excuse to raise taxes.


18 posted on 01/07/2007 5:41:53 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I have little patience with NOVA-ers and folks from Hampton Roads calling for more money for transportation when in 2002 both regions soundly rejected sales tax increase referendums for transportation.

They quite properly rejected the tax hike, and they quite properly demand that Richmond give them THEIR MONEY instead of wasting it on downstate cow paths.

19 posted on 01/09/2007 10:51:06 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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They quite properly rejected the tax hike, and they quite properly demand that Richmond give them THEIR MONEY instead of wasting it on downstate cow paths.

I have no problem with NOVA and HR advocating more money from the existing budget for transportation. I have a problem with those that say the state needs more money.

But FWIW, if you think I-81, Route 460, Route 360 and Route 58 (among others) are "cow paths," then you really need to get outside the Beltway more often.

20 posted on 01/09/2007 10:53:59 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.wardsmythe.com)
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