When Does Life Begin?

Columbia ^ | William Ryan

[metmom]

I've noticed that he's a newb by sign up date for this screen name, and met him on evo threads, but I don't think really new to FR.

[jwalsh07]

Sorry, I'm having too much fun cutting the troll down to size.

[UpAllNight]

Then you retract your definition of 'human' as a cell that contains the human dna?

[metmom]

Comprende?

Probably not but what can you expect from someone who thinks we all descended from monkeys.

[workerbee]

Well, sure -- but it's fun watching them try to be all clever and philosophical. I mean, aren't you in awe of all the grand points he's made, ones we've never seen before, like "a flake of skin is human."

LOL

[Pure Country]

THAT.....is brilliant.

THANKS! I try my best...LOL!

[betty boop]

...and yet another poster claims a continuum of life since the onset of the human species ties all levels of life together as if all levels and nuances are equal.

And yet, Lejeune answers that one pretty convincingly: “Even more impressive, during the maturation of the reproductive cells, the genetic information is reshuffled in so many ways that each conceptus receives an entirely original combination which has never occurred before and will never again. Each conceptus is unique and thus irreplaceable.”

We cannot speak of "equality" with respect to things that are unique. And they are "irreplaceable" because they are unique.

Lejeune is so right to say that anti-life arguments are symptomatic “of a severe disease of spirit,” of frank pneumopathological disorder.

Thanks for the great post, MHGinTN -- and for the ping to this wonderful article!

[PigRigger]

Then please enlighten me. WHAT OTHER 'cell' in the body becomes- IF LEFT UNMOLESTED- a human baby?

What you will never convince many of is that fact....It is life, although not viable outside the womb for some time to come.

The simple fact is that abortion kills/halts life (sometimes viable human life), regardless of the stage of development.

Although the bible does not speak directly as to when our souls are present, it does allude to God knowing us before we were conceived (Some thoughts on the matter)....thus I would assume our souls are present at the time of conception....

Those who are pro choice can argue all they want, whether a soul be present or not, abortion ends life....a spark of life that God has created and started on its journey.

IMHO

[Coleus]

If the embryo splits into two, what happens to the "individual"? >>

It becomes a useless democrat.

[metmom]

The natural process of impregnation and fertilization results in many aborted embryos. Knowing this, isn't anyone that engages in unprotected sex a potential murderer?

Slow day on DU? I've seen the evos on other forums admit to using this whacked out line of reasoning on FR just to cause trouble. It's stupid and you know it.

[UpAllNight]

--Probably not but what can you expect from someone who thinks we all descended from monkeys.--

I don't think we descended from monkeys.

[UpAllNight]

--Slow day on DU? I've seen the evos on other forums admit to using this whacked out line of reasoning on FR just to cause trouble. It's stupid and you know it.--

You don't dispute that biological facts presented, do you?

[Alamo-Girl]

We cannot speak of "equality" with respect to things that are unique. And they are "irreplaceable" because they are unique.

Very, very well said. Thank you!

[metmom]

Death from natural causes is not murder.

Unless you have redefined all the words you're using in your argument like a good evo does.

[workerbee]

It is the only position to take since noone has ever proven when the spirit takes up residence with the soul of life.

Yes, which is why the most successful (IMO) debates against abortion leave out the spiritual/religious question altogether. Ironically, it's the pro-abort side that is almost always the first to bring up "spirituality" in the argument -- precisely because they fail so obviously in the scientific realm they otherwise embrace as the Truth (sic) of all things.

[jwalsh07]

Then you retract your definition of 'human' as a cell that contains the human dna?

Please post my quote making that claim.

Since you can't do that, you can apologise for making it up out of whole cloth or simply slink away from whre ever you slink to.

[metmom]

First, I have never posted anything pro-abortion.

Sure, you do. Questioning the humanity of the fertilied egg/embryo/fetus is the biggest pro-abort argument going. It's the whole basis for which they justify abortion.

[Doc Savage]

Not in Pelosi's uterus!

[UpAllNight]

Are you saying that life does not begin till the fertilized egg reaches the womb?

"This is what the Lord says- He who made you, who formed you in the
womb, and who will help you" --Isaiah 44:2

"For You created my innermost being; You knit me together in my
mother's womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully
made." --Psalm 139:13-14

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV)

[UpAllNight]

--This would be the scientific definition. Science has been knind enough to allow us to quantify this definition by sequencing the genome which leaves anti-science nuts gaping for air and defining humans as you do above.--

This implies that 'it' is human if it contains the human DNA sequence. Since we were referring to a single cell, you are implying that the definition of human is extended to a single cell if it contains the human DNA sequence.