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Many US Cities Have Had Murder Rates Higher Than Iraq's 2006 'Violent Death' Rate
Newsbusters ^ | 1/3/07 | Tom Blumer

Posted on 01/03/2007 6:19:30 PM PST by pissant

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To: JerseyHighlander

Is your objection that he is being inaccurate? He is simply comparing per capita deaths in Iraq to those of several US Cities murder rates. He is being up front in the analysis. And just for the record, what happened to all those reports several months back IN EVERY MSM outlet claiming 600,000 Iraqi civilian deaths?


61 posted on 01/03/2007 7:31:42 PM PST by pissant
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To: Volunteer
If we redeploy from New Orleans, how much money would that free for domestic spending?

Never mind the savings... when do we get to hang Kathleen Blanco, Ray Nagin and Bill Jefferson? And where can I send a donation of lumber and rope for the gallows? (he said, only half-joking...)

62 posted on 01/03/2007 7:32:26 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

Lol Bush should run for commander of the Army when he retires as President just to piss off the left


63 posted on 01/03/2007 7:32:43 PM PST by CottShop
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To: azhenfud
How about America the country vs Iraq the country for a more fair evaluation?

That's a good point, if your aim is to conduct a fair evaluation. But when you're already comparing apples and oranges, why not compare a bucket of one versus a truckload of another.

64 posted on 01/03/2007 7:32:50 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: azhenfud

Then you'd have to do the same to LA or New York. Take out the many wealthy burb neighborhoods that have little crime and you end up with a similar murder density in those cities.


65 posted on 01/03/2007 7:35:13 PM PST by pissant
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To: Steel Wolf

LOL! True....


66 posted on 01/03/2007 7:35:34 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: CottShop; pissant
Well my goodness- whatever happened to the 'reliable' Lancet report (which was riddled with vitriolic agenda driven lies) of 650,000 violent deaths in Iraq that they claim have happened? What? Was that a lie?

It sure was a lie. That doesn't give us license to invent our own as payback. When the left puts out garbage like the Lancet report, why on Earth would we want to give up the intellectual and moral high ground by publishing nonsense of our own?

67 posted on 01/03/2007 7:36:17 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: pissant

... or Hunter's Point (San Francisco) and Parts of Oakland, CA.... Yup.


68 posted on 01/03/2007 7:37:40 PM PST by Alia
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To: mylife

it's up to 655,000 now? This just begs the question- Wheere are ALL the bodies and how come hospitals in Iraq, which are required by Iraqi law to report deaths directly to the government, haven't reported even a tiny fraction of those numbers? There must be one honking big conspiracy to hide the mountains of bodies from the general public- perhaps the bodies were all scurried away in alien ships.

I did a report on my site linking to a site that absolutely debunked the Fasecious lies that the Lancet report put out- they did such a good job exposing hte lies trhat it was lights out for the lancet report.


69 posted on 01/03/2007 7:37:42 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Steel Wolf

This isn't lying. that lancet report was lying. This is a demonstration of how REAL statistics can be displayed any way to show what you want. His point is legitimate. 14,000 dead iraqis does not a quagmire make. Is it a apples to apples comparison he's making - no. But he says such if you read his entier article.


70 posted on 01/03/2007 7:41:57 PM PST by pissant
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To: Steel Wolf

who's giving up ANYTHING? Certainly not us- NO death is to be taken lightly- not even the deaths of innocent civilians in countries we're fighting in HOWEVER, these folks have died for a MUCH greater cause that will in the end protect many many times the amount that have died. War sucks as far as casualties- however, if a nation is not willing to make the necessary sacrifices- evil WILL prevail and that is something that IS TRULY unnaceptable concidering hte high cost to both lives and freedoms

Jean Francois Revel diagnosed the democratic disease perfectly when he wrote: “A civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself.”


71 posted on 01/03/2007 7:42:07 PM PST by CottShop
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To: pissant

Then perpetuitously you'd have to eliminate the similarly low-crime 'burbs of Baghdad..then omit any other dissimilarities and so on and so on. Might as well throw the "comparison out altogether.

So I leave on this thought. Should you have to choose one, would YOU prefer the level of US city violence in your 'hood or that of Iraq?


72 posted on 01/03/2007 7:42:40 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Steel Wolf
When the war started, Iraq was compared to California in size and population. In 2000, California murdered 2019 or so of it's citizens. It took 3 years to reach 2000 soldiers lost in Iraq. I don't know if there is an accurate count of Iraqi's lost. I don't think putting a 500 pounder in the wedding party of Al Quida should count as Iraqi citizens lost however. If you ignore the last 6 months or so, the murder rate hasn't been that bad in Iraq. The last few months have been horrific. In the early days, an IED would take out 2-5, but now they seem to get 20-50 at a time.
73 posted on 01/03/2007 7:43:22 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Alia

Richmond California is no walk in the park either.


74 posted on 01/03/2007 7:43:36 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Name a major U.S. city that has a murder rate 11 times the national average, given the fact that three-quarters of the U.S. population lives in major metro areas. Fourteen thousand Iraqis died from political violence in 2006 in a country of 26.7 million people. In 2005, there were 14,600 murders in the United States, whose population was 296.4 million. To replicate the Iraqi death rate, for example, the New York metro area would have to have 9,800 murders a year. With approximately half of the metro area's population, As of December 24, 2006, there were 579 murders in New York City year to date.


75 posted on 01/03/2007 7:44:10 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: CottShop

They probably hide the iraqi bodies in those trucks that went to syria...Oh wait, that was before the war.


Seriously, I dont like one death here, but we are on the verge of success with 2 free elections, an iraqi constitution, federalization, Saddam and Sons dead, prosperity in the vast swath of Iraq,buisness booming, wages and jobs up. I cant see running now


76 posted on 01/03/2007 7:46:41 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: azhenfud

That is why its only good as a general demonstration. The demonstration that Iraq is not a sinking quagmire of total violence as portrayed in the MSM. ANd that is his point.


77 posted on 01/03/2007 7:47:34 PM PST by pissant
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To: CottShop

Well Stated


78 posted on 01/03/2007 7:48:44 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: pissant

No, it is not. We try to avoid even thinking Richmond / El Cerrito...


79 posted on 01/03/2007 7:49:44 PM PST by Alia
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To: Man of the Right
Name a major U.S. city that has a murder rate 11 times the national average

In our previous episode, I noted that New Orleans has 10x the murder rate of the United States.

80 posted on 01/03/2007 7:51:11 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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