[sully777]

Yeah, that's what I determined. Plus the VW owners were not convincing me that 50 mpg was normal. Further, the VW was about $6,000 more than my Civic. I've been happy to get near 40 mpg at 65-75 mph typical driving week.

[VeniVidiVici]

Further, the VW was about $6,000 more than my Civic.

I belive the base prices of, say, a Jetta diesel vs a Civic are probably about 4k different.

I like Civics but the lack of torque prohibits me from buying them.