you both are right. But, pushing Ukraine and Georgia into NATO is only a tiny objective of a much bigger picture. Dahoser, you are on target. They are doing this through the CFR and in England, RIIA. The Bankers and industrialist run the government literally, and we are heading for a signficant change of life toward the end of 2007. The elites; do control all that you say......
Be afraid...be very afraid!