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To: Vicomte13
I don't have a problem with that.

I'm sure you don't. I'm also sure you've presented some teachings here that are not teachings of Christ or teachings of the Catholic Church or any sane Protestant denomination. If you go ahead and continue our conversation, which I would welcome, you will hear stuff like that again, so don't start thinking it's Catholic bashing.

Like I said, feel free to proceed.

244 posted on 01/11/2007 10:56:03 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Mr. Silverback

What I did was leave aside Catholic tradition completely, for a time, and just do what Luther said: read the Bible.

I read the Bible as written, word-for-word.
I refused to allow any Catholic tradition to influence my views, but I also refused to allow any Protestant tradition to influence my views either.

I just read what it said, and considered the authority of was saying it.

And when I did that, I came to a different place from others.

When it comes to evolution, I just don't see in Genesis a coherent and internally consistent account of the origins of the world. And to the extent that there are a couple of facts that carry all the way through the story of Noah and to today, they conflict with the observable world.

To me, it's not a Catholic or Protestant thing.
Catholics (and Jews) largely ignore the issue of Genesis, because their tradition teaches them it's not a literal story. Some Protestants take it literally. When I read it take literally, WITHOUT the backdrop of Protestant traditions of interpretation, it falls apart for me.

It is true that I can't see any reason for me to substitute Protestant traditions that aren't in the Bible for Catholic traditions that aren't in the Bible. It is also true that I tend to cross-check Catholic traditions with the Jewish traditions, to see what in Catholicism is really Judaism brought over from the Apostles, who were all Jews. A lot of Catholicism - the priestly liturgical stuff that isn't fleshed out in the Bible - is very Jewish.

Catholic bashing doesn't bother me in the least, and what you said didn't leave a mark, so don't worry about it.


247 posted on 01/12/2007 7:10:43 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva.)
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