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Middle Stance Emerges in Debate Over Climate
NY Times ^ | January 1, 2007 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

Posted on 01/01/2007 5:11:40 PM PST by neverdem

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To: rwgal
ALGORE will be deeply upset....

So will all the university scientists and researchers for whom scaring people means government grants. That's what this is all about -- creating an income and an industry with your money.

21 posted on 01/01/2007 5:35:08 PM PST by JennysCool (Well done, President Ford.)
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To: neverdem

NY Times. All the news that fits we print. Why bother?


22 posted on 01/01/2007 5:36:30 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: caveat emptor

Hey, it's neverdem's favorite paper.


23 posted on 01/01/2007 5:37:00 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: neverdem

There is reason for us to be good stewards of the earth and I agree that there are things we can do - but I do not believe that we are *causing* global warming. It seems to me that those who present this form of apocalypse are just doomers and gloomers from the far left who are sure we, humanity, are such terrible sinners - that we are near the end of the world.


24 posted on 01/01/2007 5:37:58 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Gondring
High carbon dioxide levels have , historically, always followed warm periods.......more living critters eating and (your own favorite term for flatulence goes here) "Al Goring" is my default place-holder.

Liberals desperately need various "crises" to mask their real goals and do their dirty work. The MSM acts as their cheerleader to help amplify their doomsday scenarios.

They have to act really fast now because there are indications that global temps (especially in the deep ocean waters where it has real impact) are trending downward.

To them, it's like hitting the beach with your surf-board only to find that the waves have gone and it's "flat".

25 posted on 01/01/2007 5:38:37 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: neverdem
“I have found myself increasingly chastised by climate change campaigners when my public statements and lectures on climate change have not satisfied their thirst for environmental drama,”

The heretics will be shouted down by the environmental drama queens. Guaranteed.

26 posted on 01/01/2007 5:39:06 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Gondring

Because elevated levels of carbon dioxide are more a SYMPTOM than a CAUSE of paleo-climatic global warming. The laws of physics require that the temperature change as the fourth root of a logarithmic function of carbon dioxide concentrations. The temperature correlates well with carbon dioxide before the emergence of humanity because both decreased during glacial periods. Widespread ice cover in the polar and subpolar regions and significantly cooler, often drier climates in the rest of the planet greatly reduced the biotic respiration that produces carbon dioxide. Cooler oceans also dissolve marginally more of the gas.

The global warming hype cannot result from an accounting of the direct impact of carbon dioxide on global temperature. Those wild and wacky predictions instead assume that the buildup of anthropogenic greenhouse gases and the resultant slight warming will trigger catastrophic positive feedbacks. The "gloom and doom" scenarios also come from climate models with severe difficulties in convective parameterization; simply put, their inability to generate realistic thunderstorms leads to runaway ridiculous results.


27 posted on 01/01/2007 5:41:33 PM PST by dufekin (media-Democrat-terrorist complex: espionage, sedition, propaganda, treason, and surrender)
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To: Gondring

Answer: We shouldn't expect temperature to rise if CO2 increases because CO2 doesn't increase temperature that much. The graph shows that higher temperatures cause CO2 to increase.


28 posted on 01/01/2007 5:43:33 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: norwaypinesavage
I believe that global warming, anti-capitalist environmentalism, and abortion are three of the dogmas of the secular church.
29 posted on 01/01/2007 5:51:35 PM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001
or maybe...I don't know..a TAX?

Or...maintain high productivity and focus on sustainability, so we have a strong economy that can support adjustments to climate change. Investing in the Space Elevator has many benefits---one of which is that we could inexpensively deploy sunscreens if needed.

30 posted on 01/01/2007 5:55:52 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: capt. norm
High carbon dioxide levels have , historically, always followed warm periods.......more living critters eating and (your own favorite term for flatulence goes here) "

I always assumed it was because warmer seas can't hold as much dissolved CO2.

31 posted on 01/01/2007 5:57:09 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: norwaypinesavage
An insurance policy (shakedown) is absurd.
32 posted on 01/01/2007 5:58:41 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: neverdem

Boob-bait for the bubbas. Follow the money.


33 posted on 01/01/2007 6:00:22 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: neverdem

We continually see the missappropriation of the term "Climate Change" as "Global Warming".

One is a myth: "Global Warming", and the other: "Climate Change" is inevitable and has happened countless times throughout history and will occur again countless times in the future.


34 posted on 01/01/2007 6:01:04 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: neverdem

bump


35 posted on 01/01/2007 6:04:15 PM PST by VOA
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To: rockinqsranch
"Climate Change" is inevitable and has happened countless times throughout history and will occur again countless times in the future.

Reminds me of a bumper sticker a few years back:

STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!

36 posted on 01/01/2007 6:05:56 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: capt. norm

"Liberals desperately need various "crises" to mask their real goals and do their dirty work. The MSM acts as their cheerleader to help amplify their doomsday scenarios."


Agreed. Liberalism/Socialism cannot be sold to other than a Nation in despair. Our Nation has to be taken to a state of despair for them to succeed, thus the attacks upon our economy, education, morality, etc., etc.


37 posted on 01/01/2007 6:12:13 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: neverdem

this is the middle ?
it's al gore's crap without al gore's solution.


38 posted on 01/01/2007 6:20:10 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: neverdem

THIS is a middle position?


39 posted on 01/01/2007 6:20:46 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Brilliant

Bingo.

I'm pretty sure that because of reforestation, some claim the U.S. is a carbon sink.

I'd be for some research to determine a (preferably reversible) way of taking CO2 out of the atmosphere in a cost-effective manner, as a hedge, in case we really do need to do it. But nothing we've seen yet, really shows it's a necessity at this point.


40 posted on 01/01/2007 6:24:59 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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