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To: WatchingInAmazement

The above from the original posted article......

Has this thing been signed by the President? I can't find anything on google indicating signed or not signed..... The below article doesn't indicate the President must sign it like the posted artilce above does...

So is this in effect or still pending?

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UNITED STATES/MEXICO TOTALIZATION AGREEMENT

June 2004 (Printer Friendly Version) (Aquí en Español)
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Totalization

  • Since the late 1970’s, the U.S. has established international social security agreements that coordinate the U.S. Social Security program with the comparable programs of other countries.

  • These international social security agreements are called “totalization agreements” and have two main purposes:

    • Eliminate dual social security taxation that occurs when a worker from one country works in another country and is required to pay social security taxes to both countries on the same earnings. As a result of existing totalization agreements, U.S. workers and employers currently are saving about $800 million annually in foreign taxes they do not have to pay.

    • Help fill gaps in benefit protection for workers who have divided their careers between the U.S. and another country, but who have not worked long enough in one or both countries to qualify for social security benefits. With totalization, workers are allowed to combine work credits from both countries to become eligible for benefits. The benefit amount paid is proportional to the amount of credits earned in the paying country.

An agreement with Mexico

  • An agreement with Mexico would save U.S. workers and their employers about $140 million in Mexican social security and health insurance taxes over the first 5 years of the agreement.

  • An agreement would also fill the gaps in benefit protection for U.S. workers who have worked in both countries, but not long enough in one or both countries to qualify for benefits.

  • Mexico is the second largest trading partner with the U.S. Agreements are already in effect with Canada, the largest trading partner with the U.S., and 19 other countries.

  • With Mexico, the U.S. now has signed agreements with eight of its top ten trading partners. Many of these agreements have been in effect for nearly two decades. The two exceptions are China and Taiwan. By law, the U.S. could not enter into agreements with these two countries because they do not have generally applicable social security systems that pay periodic benefits or the actuarial equivalent.

Costs of an agreement with Mexico

  • Social Security actuaries estimate that a totalization agreement with Mexico would have a negligible long-range effect on the Trust Funds.

  • Costs to the U.S. Social Security system are estimated to average about $105 million per year over the first five years. These costs are for additional benefits to eligible U.S. and Mexican workers and reduced Social Security tax contributions under the dual taxation exemption.

  • To put this in perspective, in 2002, costs to the U.S. system for the existing agreement with Canada were about $197 million.

Effective date of an agreement with Mexico

  • In the United States, once the agreement is signed, the President will submit the agreement to Congress where it must sit in review for 60 session days. If Congress takes no action during this time, the agreement can move forward.

  • In Mexico, once the agreement is signed, the Mexican Senate must approve it.

Countries already having totalization agreements with the U.S.

  • The United States currently has Social Security agreements with Canada, Chile, South Korea, Australia and most of Western Europe.

    Country Effective Date Country Effective Date
    Italy November 1, 1978 Portugal August 1, 1989
    Germany December 1, 1979  Netherlands November 1, 1990
    Switzerland November 1, 1980 Austria November 1, 1991
    Belgium July 1, 1984 Finland November 1, 1992
    Norway July 1, 1984 Ireland September 1, 1993
    Canada August 1, 1984 Luxembourg  November 1, 1993
    United Kingdom  January 1, 1985 Greece September 1, 1994 
    Sweden January 1, 1987 South Korea April 1, 2001
    Spain April 1, 1988 Chile December 1, 2001
    France July 1, 1988 Australia October 1, 2002
  • More detailed information about these totalization agreements can be found at http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/.

 
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Other info on Totalization agreements.......

U.S. International Social Security Agreements

50 posted on 01/01/2007 8:42:03 AM PST by deport
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To: deport
Other info on Totalization agreements.......

U.S. International Social Security Agreements

55 posted on 01/01/2007 8:44:59 AM PST by deport
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To: deport
The totalization agreements make sense if three conditions are met:

1. The numbers of people are relatively small. If 10,000 (number guessed but you get the idea) Swedish citizens work in America and can get credit for the their US Social Security taxes, it will be no great burden on the US.

2. If the numbers of people going each way are similar. If the above mentioned 10,000 Swedes are matched with 8,000 Americans working in Sweden, then totalization will have little or no net effect.

3. If the per capita economies and benefits of both countries are similar, then there is no great incentive to leave your native country to milk the system in another country.

Mexico fails on all three. There are millions of Mexicans working in the US (not a small number as required in point 1), there are probably only thousands of Americans working in Mexico (which is a lot less than millions, thus point 2 also fails), and the US economy and SS benefits are much greater than ones in Mexico (thus point 3 fails).

Totalization with the other countries generally provides benefits to their citizens at little to no additional costs. This would not be true with Mexico.

83 posted on 01/01/2007 8:59:33 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Baker's Iraq Surrender Group - warming up the last helicopter out of Baghdad.)
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To: deport

None of the countries we have agreements with have 12 - 20 million illegal aliens (sorry, I meant undocumented workers) in the U.S.


146 posted on 01/01/2007 10:03:58 AM PST by BW2221
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