Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle
Yahoo ^ | 12/29/06 | Yahoo

Posted on 01/01/2007 8:04:50 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government was forced to make the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million-member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League.

The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.

For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits. The Agreement with Mexico, like other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

But Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of other participating countries. For example, only 40 percent of non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent of America's non- government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try to get documents from the U.S. Government about the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones (news, bio, voting record) (R-N.C.). "The American people are finally beginning to get some of the information regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the SSA, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

With 1.2 million members, TREA Senior Citizens League is one of the nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups. Visit http://www.SeniorsLeague.org for more information or to see the Totalization Agreement documents.

SOURCE TREA Senior Citizens League


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuse; aliens; bushamnesty; crimaliens; fraud; frtrollmagnet; govwatch; gummintgiveaways; identitytheft; idtheft; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; lobbyisthype; mexico; otherpeoplesmoney; socialsecurity; spendingspree; totalization; waste
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 301-305 next last
To: panthermom

Exactly ! and it good for the economy too.(?)


181 posted on 01/01/2007 10:54:34 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 169 | View Replies]

To: Dane; WatchingInAmazement
I think Watching should have been honest and not hide the fact that this "article" came from PR release from a lobbying group.

What part of "PRNewswire-USNewswire" and "SOURCE TREA Senior Citizens League" (both included in the original post) was not "honest" or "hidden"?

Try debating/refuting the press release and quit trying to smear posters with baseless allegations.

182 posted on 01/01/2007 10:55:08 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Arizona Carolyn; Dane
My "NEW" alias? I didn't know myself or Dane were new....

You're not. Misinformation agents have been around since man first drew breath.

Now answer the question, do you like this Totalization agreement and WHY?

183 posted on 01/01/2007 10:55:26 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement (President DUNCAN HUNTER 2008! http://www.house.gov/hunter/border1.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 179 | View Replies]

To: Penny

Now was that really necessary? You advocate third party, I call you on it.


184 posted on 01/01/2007 10:56:13 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Penny
You advocate third party, I call you on it.

Oh, the shame!!! Penny, you're in good company, the founding fathers didn't want us to be under 2 party, or ANY party rule.

Now, Pshyco, what do you think of this Totalization agreement? None of us care what you think of us.

185 posted on 01/01/2007 11:00:17 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement (President DUNCAN HUNTER 2008! http://www.house.gov/hunter/border1.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 184 | View Replies]

To: ClaireSolt
How could an illegal get Social Security credits, legally? Only a liberal would try that one.

Well, they wouldn't get it legally. Remember the raid at the Swift meat packing plant a couple of weeks ago? Hundreds of those illegals detained were using assumed ID's, including assumed real Social (in)Security numbers. It wouldn't be that hard to do given the level of bureaucracy that exists. Identity theft is rampant.

186 posted on 01/01/2007 11:02:06 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Tennessee - The last Conservative rock sticking above a deep blue sea....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 150 | View Replies]

To: WatchingInAmazement
Where is the proof that this is actually going to happen in the first place?

You are simply ranting about an issue that is not real or currently being legislated.

It will take an act of Congress to implement any thing of the sort. And the last time I looked, it was not on the list of current legislation put before Congress. So why stir up all the rhetoric over something that is nothing more than another conspiracy theory? That's MY point....

Any other questions?
187 posted on 01/01/2007 11:02:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: WatchingInAmazement
Do you have any kind of a credible source?

This is a self serving press release from a group that has been investigated by Congress for scams on slave reparations.

The source acts like this is some new revelation but there is nothing new here.

The key word is in the second paragraph, "could".

Lets see some data.

188 posted on 01/01/2007 11:02:53 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 171 | View Replies]

To: GOPologist

I'm sure some other welfare program will be provided for you.


189 posted on 01/01/2007 11:03:34 AM PST by DManA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: WatchingInAmazement

I'm ignoring you...


190 posted on 01/01/2007 11:06:40 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Maynerd Blazejewsi for President '08! (The third party choice))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 185 | View Replies]

To: Raycpa

throw iran in with that. I know some Iranians who are collecting their benes, from their work history in Iran. Never worked a day in the U.S.


191 posted on 01/01/2007 11:07:10 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: PSYCHO-FREEP; Ben Ficklin
, PSYCHO-FREEP wrote: Where is the proof that this is actually going to happen in the first place? You are simply ranting about an issue that is not real or currently being legislated.

You two are the most dishonest people I've ever seen on a forum.

All the information, from the SSA and a bunch of congress people, the congressional record is all in this thread. Am I dealing with the reading impaired here?

Go stick your heads back in the sand, we realize you care nothing about this except to defend the perpertrators of this fraud.

192 posted on 01/01/2007 11:10:00 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement (President DUNCAN HUNTER 2008! http://www.house.gov/hunter/border1.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 187 | View Replies]

To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Yes it is. He is the Commander-in-Chief and has the hammer. He could squelch this agreement in a minute, but won't, because he is subordinate to his superiors at the Council on Foreign Relations, the Federal Reserve and other New World Order shills.


193 posted on 01/01/2007 11:19:15 AM PST by Firefish (Fight the future!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: deport

Do you think all those painters, landscapers, day laborers, housekeepers, babysitters are paying taxes? Here in Georgia, the illegals go from house to house looking for work. They will redo your roof for you in a day. Are they licensed or insured? Heck no, you go buy the materials and then they show up do the job for cash. They undercut the legitimate guys by a couple of thousand dollars. My husband works in the construction business, day laborers are the equivilant to the temp workers that corporate uses.


194 posted on 01/01/2007 11:24:59 AM PST by panthermom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 176 | View Replies]

To: Thermalseeker; ClaireSolt

How could an illegal get Social Security credits, legally? Only a liberal would try that one.

Well, they wouldn't get it legally. Remember the raid at the Swift meat packing plant a couple of weeks ago? Hundreds of those illegals detained were using assumed ID's, including assumed real Social (in)Security numbers. It wouldn't be that hard to do given the level of bureaucracy that exists. Identity theft is rampant.


I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that the way they intend for it to work is that the illegals, once ensconced in their Mexican "retirement" locale, will simply "declare" (to the US government) the amount of money they earned, and the number of years that they worked. They would then be "awarded" Social Security benefits based on that declaration.

Of course, they'd need to swear under oath that the information they provided was accurate, so at least we'd be protected from fraud, right? LOL!

Hey, buck up. It's not like the illegal aliens have THAT many more rights than American citizens...

195 posted on 01/01/2007 11:30:40 AM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 186 | View Replies]

To: Ben Ficklin
Do you have any kind of a credible source? This is a self serving press release from a group that has been investigated by Congress for scams on slave reparations.

Wrong. See Urban Legends and Folklore:

While there is no "TREA Senior Systems League," there is a "TREA Senior Citizens League," which did not create or authorize this message. Noting that the name of the organization is being used under false pretenses, a spokesman called the message "a nuisance chain letter that is playing on the hopes of our senior citizens." The League has received over 10,000 inquiries from victims so far this year.

196 posted on 01/01/2007 11:30:55 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: WatchingInAmazement

"The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it."


I don't see how that can be Constitutional.


197 posted on 01/01/2007 11:32:00 AM PST by Brilliant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: panthermom

Do you think all those painters, landscapers, day laborers, housekeepers, babysitters are paying taxes?



Nope..... do you think they will once they are made legal?.....

My question was about were the 'huge' increase was coming from that you alluded to?....


198 posted on 01/01/2007 11:34:20 AM PST by deport
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: ClaireSolt

"I think Americans should be free to retire wherever they want and can get the biggest bang for their buck. "

This law doesn't apply to American citizens. Its directed towards citizens from other countries who work in the US for a short period of time.


199 posted on 01/01/2007 11:45:45 AM PST by driftdiver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 148 | View Replies]

To: calcowgirl
The names were different but the contact information was the same as TREA. And TREA solicited everyone of the respondents.

TREA was also involved in the notch baby scam.

200 posted on 01/01/2007 11:46:22 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 196 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220 ... 301-305 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson