Posted on 12/31/2006 2:56:02 PM PST by blam
Did you ever read Sarum? It follows a couple of British families through thousands of years, beginning in the stone age right up to 1940's and shows their rise and fall and the falicy of "superiority". Facinating and very well done.
No. Maybe I will, thanks.
My Celtic ancestors helped to clear out some of those Danish invaders residing in north west Scotland about 1,000 years ago. From what I understand, the Engle and Saxon Germans actually came from Jutland Germany which is the peninsula that extends from Germany up into the North Sea. Perhaps they had more similarities to Danes then the mainland Germans. Would like to see similar DNA work done on the early German tribes. Some of our legends come from them. The Unicorn. The Werewolf. Those early German tribes contained some incredible warriors. They conquered most of Western Europe after the Romans retreated. Perhaps the common incorrect assumptions that the Saxons and Engles basically exterminated the native Celtic peoples of England were based on the fierce warrior abilities these Germans possessed. Historically the first Germans were originally invited onto the island to work as mercenary/allies for specific warring Celtic tribes. Just as the Romans originally were. Hindsight would say those were two big errors by the Celts, but DNA seems to show that those errors did not last very long. Either that or perhaps Celtic women have some, um, desirable qualities.
Oops. Should read north east Scotland. Not north west.
These are the "Angels" ~ .
The predecessor language group is called Old West Gothic.
Interesting. So approximately 1 out of every 500 males on the planet have significant Irish or Scoti genes ? Not bad for a small island tribal group.
thanks to Cronos for most of these cool graphics:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~cfford/Indoeuropean%20language%20family%20tree.jpg
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~cpercy/hell/images/indoeuro.jpg
http://www.bartleby.com/61/JPG/tree.jpg
http://www.sciencenews.org/20020525/a1685_1903.jpg
Niall's nine hostages must have been nine women who were pregnant a lot. :')
Irish History Takes a Paternity Test
ScienceNOW Daily News | 21 December 2005 | Michael Schirber
Posted on 12/27/2005 3:10:30 AM EST by neverdem
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Scientists discover most fertile Irish male
Reuters on Yahoo | 1/17/06 | Siobhan Kennedy
Posted on 01/17/2006 12:16:45 PM EST by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559642/posts
If New York's Irish Claim Nobility, Science May Back Up the Blarney
NY Times | January 18, 2006 | NICHOLAS WADE
Posted on 01/18/2006 12:53:58 AM EST by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560100/posts
and:
The Quest for the $1,000 Human Genome
NY Terrorist Tip Sheet | July 18, 2006 | NICHOLAS WADE
Posted on 07/18/2006 12:51:24 AM EDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1667602/posts
The Wide, Wild World of Genetic Testing
NY Times | September 12, 2006 | ANDREW POLLACK
Posted on 09/15/2006 1:11:28 AM EDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1701849/posts
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Very interesting graphics. Who spoke Celtic Manx ?
Germanic Kingdoms and East Roman Empire 526-600
From The Historical Atlas by William R. Shepherd, 1911.
Of course this old map will probably need some modification after the DNA analysis are more fully complete.
I am convinced there is an inborn difference in the way conservatives think from liberals. Can anyone shed light?
If the population contracted by means other than conquest I would think that could make a case for catastrophism. The fifth-to-sixth century dating coincides with some evidence to that effect which you've previously posted.
Have you read "Albion's Seed?" I've heard it's outstanding (expensive, but outstanding).
I can highly recommend http://www.familytreedna.com/ for having your DNA done. They are the largest and one of the first DNA testing firms...Click on the link and in the upper right hand corner put in your last name to see if there is a surname project. I found a lost relative!
Yep...the Scots and the Irish's sons and daughters were one of their major exports over the centuries...and I kid you not...especially the last 300 years. The poverty of Ireland, the Clearances in Scotland and the British practice of transportation (as an alternative to hanging) helped somewhat, too....
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