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To: AppyPappy
Y2K was a bust because computer chips do not measure dates. They measure the difference in time, usually since a certain date. So turning over a given mark in time means nothing to the chip. That's why nothing happened on Y2K. Y2K was simply another tick in time for the chips.

Um, LOL!

Thanks for explaining things to me... but the thing is, you're wrong.

In an earlier "life" (burnout sux), I was a programmer -- and a writer, who wrote (books, magazine articles) about programming.

Your explanation is just so far off the mark that I don't know where to begin, other than to say that there are SO many potential "gotchas" when dealing with "date math" (and even NON-"math" date functions, such as buffer-overflow considerations, rollover/window framing, and so forth), that NO simplistic "one-size fits all" explanation is useful.

Trust me on this -- unremediated "rollover-unaware" software was fully capable of bringing this nation to its knees. The fact that it didn't (and please understand that there were plenty of nightmares that did happen, but were kept out of the news) is evidence that enough remediation was successfully completed to staunch the immediate effects of the problems (plural).

(BTW, you did notice that the stock market went south right after rollover, didn't you? There were a lot of accounting nightmares that took their toll -- silently, as far as the Happy Trusting Public was concerned).

There are STILL "Y2K bugs" cropping up -- and they'll continue to crop up, with no warning. Far too much code was "remediated" by use of "windowing" techniques. And those "windows" are closing, one by one, as time goes on.

A lot of "fixed" code wasn't really fixed. It was just shoved to the back burner -- on a stove that tilts to the front.

And I don't even want to think about how many "remediators", having slapdashed in some "windowing" fixes, collected their fee, and got outta Dodge as quickly as they could, leaving no forwarding address :) and NO documentation on their "fixes". (When working under the gun, the first thing to be tossed overboard is documentaion OF the work. So, the "window" elapses, and *boom*, right back where we started (with whatever code is in question), only this time, it takes us by surprise.)

The ONLY "simple" explanation for "the problem", is that it was a conceptual bug. People "thought wrong", based on what seemed right to them -- without actually analyzing the situation.

Gee, sort of like how the Warrenites get deceived, come to think of it!

So, what WAS the conceptual error? It was bad common sense.

"Everyone knows" that seconds roll over, and minutes roll over, and hours roll over, and days roll over, and weeks roll over, and months roll over, so of course YEARS roll over too!

Great logic -- except for one thing. Years DON'T roll over!

Years are linear, not cyclical.

Because the calendar LOOKS "cyclical" to humans -- and because they are predisposed to think in those terms, since every other unit of time measurement below "the year" does roll over, well... it was an easy mistake to make. Real easy.

But hard to fix!

And, as I said, a lot didn't get fixed. We're going to be living with Y2K for a loooooong time, and there's no way of knowing when something really ugly is gonna pop up with zero warning.

950 posted on 01/03/2007 12:12:26 PM PST by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: Don Joe

I was a Y2K programmer. I was working for a consultant firm at AT&T/Lucent during the build-up time. Chips were never replaced. Programs held on hard drives were replaced. We didn't go around using EPROM machines to reprogram all the chips to handle Y2K. Hardwarewise, Y2K was a joke. I don't know of a single example of a piece of hardware dying on Y2K. The power plants didn't go offline because of the rollover. The POS machines worked. The whole technology infrastructure was unaffected.

There were no "nightmares" kept out of the newspapers by the underground conspiracists. Nothing ugly is going to pop up suddenly. It's over. It was simply a time for people like you and I to make a lot of money.


952 posted on 01/03/2007 12:22:03 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Don Joe; AppyPappy
Regarding Y2K... I disagree. I'm with AppyPappy here as it was a bust. I tried telling everybody it was a bust before it rolled around and having worked as a consultant for banks, fortune 500 companies, government contractors, etc. I should have some clue as to what happened and didn't happen. It was a bust and I purposely didn't prepare for it, because it was nothing to prepare for.
954 posted on 01/03/2007 12:31:16 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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