[blue-duncan]

Alright, let's try this one more time. Purpose Driven Church is a method. Can everyone say that? Let's try, here goes, "Purpose Driven Church is a method". There now, we each get to keep our Pastors and we each get to use our own curriculum. Isn't that nice. And, Rick Warren gets to stay at Saddleback as long as his church wants him and he won't be interrupting our services. He wasn't even elected to represent us, he just graciously and capitalistically, in a fine Calvinistic tradition, made a method that was successful for his church available to other churches, and, he didn't force it on anyone who didn't want it. Now there are reports that some church leaders forced it on their own innocent, unsuspecting members who didn't have enough votes to overcome the "seeker sensitive" juggernaut, but that seems like it is the problem of the local church and the asleep members while the method advanced, not the Evangelical Pope's" fault.

Everyone step back and take a deep breath, there's an obscure promise somewhere that's seemingly forgotten that even the gates of hell, including Rick Warren, will not prevail against the church. It's a New Year. Can't we find another scape goat to challenge our inertia?

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Alright, let's try this one more time. Purpose Driven Church is a method. Can everyone say that? Let's try, here goes, "Purpose Driven Church is a method". There now, we each get to keep our Pastors and we each get to use our own curriculum. Isn't that nice. And, Rick Warren gets to stay at Saddleback as long as his church wants him and he won't be interrupting our services. He wasn't even elected to represent us, he just graciously and capitalistically, in a fine Calvinistic tradition, made a method that was successful for his church available to other churches, and, he didn't force it on anyone who didn't want it. Now there are reports that some church leaders forced it on their own innocent, unsuspecting members who didn't have enough votes to overcome the "seeker sensitive" juggernaut, but that seems like it is the problem of the local church and the asleep members while the method advanced, not the Evangelical Pope's" fault.

Nope, not having any of that nonsense.

• Communism and Fasciasm were just methods of government, just like monarchy, Republics, and Democracies.
• "Winning hearts and minds" is just a method of fighting a conflict (yeah, that worked out real well in Vietnam and Iraq) </sarcasm >
• Abortion is just another method of birth control.
• Do you get the point yet?

The purpose driven church was a collection of heretical views, and blasphemous ideas concerning the church and worship service (of course interspaced with some legitimate teachings and ideas).

All this hoopla concerning Warren's political faux pas mean absolutely nothing to me. They are symptoms, not root cause.

[nmh]

"Alright, let's try this one more time. Purpose Driven Church is a method. Can everyone say that? Let's try, here goes, "Purpose Driven Church is a method".

HALT!

Methods are great!

In the setting THIS "method" is being used, it eliminates TRUTH. So what good is this "method"? The subject matter of the "method" is not Biblically sound. Wouldn't it be better if this "method" was also Biblically sound - the teachings?

I'm not convinced this "method" is necessary. I have yet to see a disciple in the Bible carry out a "method" to preach TRUTH.

[xzins]

Scape Goat:

[Jo Nuvark]

[...Can't we find another scape goat to challenge our inertia?...]

You RRRRRRRRRRROCK!!!