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I would be shocked if Rick Warren's followers honestly believed they were depraved people. As best I can tell, Rick doesn't spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince people that they truly need a Savior. Seeker-sensitive churches try to avoid talking about the "sin nature" instead focusing on the "growth potential".

Seeker-sensitive churches try to avoid talking about the "sin nature" instead focusing on the "growth potential".

I've heard that from a number of people and would imagine it's true in some churches. I guess I've been fortunate, having been involved with seeker-sensitive churches for nearly 20 years but have always heard messages on the sin-nature/sinful-nature/flesh/sarx, the cross, the blood, etc.

Having grown up in a Baptist church where Christianity was a list of don'ts and where you couldn't clap in the morning services and where drums weren't yet saved, I found the more modern seeker-sensitive services much more appealing, at least for me. I've been in a leadership role ever since.

"I would be shocked if Rick Warren's followers honestly believed they were depraved people. As best I can tell, Rick doesn't spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince people that they truly need a Savior. Seeker-sensitive churches try to avoid talking about the "sin nature" instead focusing on the "growth potential".

But of course NOT! That would spoil the party and people wouldn't feel good.

Nah, HE'S their "savior".

When I first heard about "seeker sensitive churches" I didn't know what they were talking about. I had to ask. Now that I know ... I have to say why cater to rudeness? Surely they can spare 30 or 40 minutes to completely hear the message. It probably took them longer than that to roll out of bed, slap something on, brush teeth, grab some coffee and hop in the car.

Yes, it's all about numbers. Not about the ultimate destination of where they go when they die. At all costs verses like this need to be avoided:

Jer.17:9

[9] The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

It's better to build them UP. Joel Olensten (spelling) is notorious for that - Live Your Best Life NOW! Oh such chicanery and the sheeple LOVE IT! That IS what they want. The "numbers" prove it.