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To: nmh
No. there is too much evidence in both the Old and New Testament that those who SEEK Him, sincerely will find Him.

Yes, and there is plenty of New Testament evidence that those who DID NOT seek Him found Him anyway. Still no contradiction.

You will NOT find Him listening to false teachings - sheer impossible. God sees into your heart; not RW. God will see the sincerity and not refuse you. RW offers nothing - it is the sincerity of the heart seeking Him not RW's Scripture twisting that saves people.

Unfortunately, the testimony of the Scripture, church, and individuals contradicts this assertion.

Here's a flash for you: EVERYONE has listened to and beleives false teaching, including both you and i. Perhaps they are different false teachings, perhaps they are considered to be minor false teaching, but they are false teachings none the less.

Rick Warren is a teacher of false doctrine, and heretical. Warren does NOT however, teach COMPLETELY false doctrine, as can be evidenced by the confession of faith that Saddleback posts on their website. This is what makes Warren particularly harmful, the mixture of truth with error.

My original contention was that God uses any means He so chooses to use to bring His elect to Him. God has OFTEN used the preaching of false doctrine to get His elect to discover the truth (upon investigation of false preaching), and that the preaching mentioned WAS false doctrine.

An off the top of my head example would be William Murray, son of Madalyn Murray O'hare, former convinced Atheist (error/false doctrine) and now Minister of the Gospel in Texas. The testimony of the Apostle Paul is another example.

Don't confuse means with result. This is, what i beleive you are doing. Yes, the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth, but that's no gaurantee that we don't get lead through error in order to arrive at truth.

i think that we are approaching the same point from two different directions.

1,021 posted on 01/03/2007 3:45:47 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

Never ONCE in the Bible or in real life do FALSE TEACHERS teach TRUTH!!!

Reread my reply.

It is God, through the Holy Spirit in the New Testament and God directly in the Old Testament that judges a heart on sincerity and reveals truth that FALSE TEACHERS are NOT stating.

Provide me evidence in the New Testament where FALSE TEACHERS coverted people to TRUTH.


1,023 posted on 01/03/2007 3:49:41 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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