[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

#904 I've heard that before ... lead to Christ through him ... I have my doubts about that ... his message isn't Biblically aligned so I fail to see how that is possible ... I would say this that those who truly seek HIM, will find HIM. I don't believe that is Rick Warrens doing ... it's more Christ seeing the sincerity ... they would have found Christ without RW's false teachings.

i don't have any problems with Scripter's assertion. God is sovereign. God can and does use any means He so desires in order to accomplish His pleasure, including the preaching of Judas Iscariot, and the sermon of a dumb ass to Baalam. Regrettably, that does not mean that Rick Warren or anyone else is above reproach. Lots of people were saved through the sermons and teachings of people of far less integredy and/or Orthodoxy than Warren currently possesses.

The scriptures are full of many such examples.

While i understand your point, "let's not go beyond what is written".

[TommyDale]

Hey, God spoke through a jackass.

[nmh]

Are you suggesting that false teachings turn people on to TRUTH? I don't believe that for a second.

Deut.4:29

[29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Prov.8:17

[17] I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

Jer.29:13

[13] And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Matt.7:7-8

[7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

[8] For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

No. there is too much evidence in both the Old and New Testament that those who SEEK Him, sincerely will find Him. You will NOT find Him listening to false teachings - sheer impossible. God sees into your heart; not RW. God will see the sincerity and not refuse you. RW offers nothing - it is the sincerity of the heart seeking Him not RW's Scripture twisting that saves people.