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To: narby
Modern warfare will not revolve around who can out-produce who. It will happen with lightning speed, with the troops we have on duty at the time. There will not even be time to reconstitute boneyard equipment, and reactivate people like me that used to know how to run it.

Which actually cuts severely AGAINST your positions. Particularly as the Administration is racing to slash domestic military capacities, such as the Navy, Airforce and Marines. So deep has the rot gotten, they don't even know if they can really do a modest temporary surge in a puny theater like Iraq. And the vast numbers of disproved appeasement-promises regarding our current enemies [China, Russia, Iran, North Korea] go down the memory-hole without comment.

I'll let others speak to the charts, but sufice it to say that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. They can be spun any direction one likes.

And so you should be more skeptical of the smug what-me-worry types.

For myself, I'll take my lifetime experience that doom mongers are never right.

First define "doom mongers". Interesting conjoining of terms typically applied with other terms as I note below. And measured by your lifetime? How long has that been? Fifteen or twenty years? Let me point out some "hawks", people who the Left and their tame MSM smeared as "Doom-Sayers" and "War Mongers"...who were proved RIGHT!


Anthony Eden


Winston Churchill


Ronald Reagan


Jeane Kirkpatrick

And then look at those self-defined "opposites" of the doom-sayers...and what happened to their policies of appeasement...and their place in history?


Neville Chamberlain


Stanley Baldwin

At the time of the Appeasement process with Hitler...Chamberlain was touted as the proponent of "effervescent optimism" and "hope." He was greeted with cheering throngs with his pieces of paper being waved around promising "Peace in Our Time."

Everything that is being done nowadays by the past two Administrations with the communists and their jihadist-ally regimes smells rather familiar... And every single policy pertaining to our industrial preparedness, and explicitly military strategic preparedness for major Great Power war... reeks of appeasement-type thinking.

And that is the kind of thinking you appear to be subscribing to. So are you, or are you not an Appeaser? If not, you have some 'splainin to do.

369 posted on 01/03/2007 9:17:22 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
Which actually cuts severely AGAINST your positions.

No. My position was that concerns about domestic war production are irrelevant because modern warfare will occur too fast to produce anything. Your arguments against a smaller military are well placed, but they do not counter my point about production.

And so you should be more skeptical of the smug what-me-worry types.

The what-me-worry types have been right so far in my 50 years. And the doom-and-gloom arguments are the same year after year, so why would I consider them any more correct this year than any of the last 50?

First define "doom mongers".

Paul Ross.

And measured by your lifetime? How long has that been? Fifteen or twenty years?

Lame attempt at insult. Answered above.

Let me point out some "hawks", people who the Left and their tame MSM smeared as "Doom-Sayers" and "War Mongers"...who were proved RIGHT!

The left has more than it's share of incorrect doom mongers. For example, all environmentalists. The population bomb promoters. Plus the anti-nukers, anti-gene modified food people, anti-urban sprawl people, the "we're running out of land fill" people, etc. etc. All those doom mongers, all wrong.

About predictions that were correct: people never remember incorrect predictions, only the correct ones, which is why fortune tellers are able to make a living.

And every single policy pertaining to our industrial preparedness, and explicitly military strategic preparedness for major Great Power war... reeks of appeasement-type thinking.

You've covered two issues, industrial capacity, and military capacity. As I explained above, domestic industrial capacity is irrelevant in modern warfare, even while you are correct that military capacity is necessary.

It wouldn't matter one iota if we bought 100% of our military capacity from overseas, as long as when the shooting starts we had more than our enemey does, because it will all be over in hours.

405 posted on 01/03/2007 12:01:26 PM PST by narby
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