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To: Rudder
I think the GOP, as a formal organization, is not allied with conservatives in the least.

Well, you've all banded together to teach the GOP a lesson; I sure hope you're happy with the results you've brought about.

Something WE have learned though is that you all cannot be counted on when the going gets rough. The GOP will rise again -- and this time you won't be calling the shots. It is, after all, the Republican Party, not the Conservative Party.

Just today I was listening to a report about Gerald Ford and the Helsinki Accords -- and how the conservatives were against THAT too........and how they all sat home and got Jimmy Carter elected.

And I was trying to remember just WHAT is was that "real conservatives" haven't been against. I couldn't think of anything.

We're just as tired of you all as you all are of us; only thing is we've got a party.

430 posted on 12/29/2006 8:20:18 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin


Excellent post, Howlin!!!
You're right on all counts.


434 posted on 12/29/2006 8:22:53 PM PST by onyx (Phillip Rivers, LT and the San Diego Chargers! WOO-HOO!)
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To: Howlin

Sorry, we're the Party.


443 posted on 12/29/2006 8:25:35 PM PST by NinoFan
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To: Howlin

Yeah, and the morons insisted he drop Rockefeller from the ticket. Had Ford kept him on the ticket, New York and Pennsylvania would have stayed in the GOP column. And it's not like Rockefeller was a viable Presidential candidate anymore, even by 1976.

I'm with you 100% Howlin.


449 posted on 12/29/2006 8:28:42 PM PST by republicanwizard
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To: Howlin
Just today I was listening to a report about Gerald Ford and the Helsinki Accords -- and how the conservatives were against THAT too........and how they all sat home and got Jimmy Carter elected.

Times may change .. but some things remain the same

451 posted on 12/29/2006 8:29:28 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Howlin

BRAVA !


465 posted on 12/29/2006 8:32:56 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Howlin
"We're just as tired of you all as you all are of us; only thing is we've got a party."

Ouch.

466 posted on 12/29/2006 8:32:58 PM PST by maxter
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To: Howlin
It's simple: the GOP states the principles it will pursue, stick to the statement and pursue its goals. The conservatives will then know with whom to show support.

Here in Ohio, for example, the Country Club GOP(CCG) (re: Bob Ney) has no guiding philosophy except that of enjoying the privileges and spoils of office. This is typical of well-established, local GOP groups across the land. Patronage, and little else, is their base.

Another example: The House was winning with goal-to-go on immigration enforcement. What did they (Hastert) do? He ordered Congress to suspend all efforts to prod the Senate, and, instead, announced Representatives go on to a Hillary-type "listening tour."

You were, at that moment, suckered...the result of this move by Hastert was transparently foreseen...Amnesty.

Hastert's move was a brilliant 'bate-and-switch' strategy---it worked!

490 posted on 12/29/2006 8:39:46 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Howlin

Well said Howlin.


505 posted on 12/29/2006 8:45:49 PM PST by scratcher
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To: Howlin
and how they all sat home and got Jimmy Carter elected.

Which opened the way to the Reagan revolution.

It seems that sometimes the American voter has to swallow an ugly dose of Carter-style liberal stupidity and fecklessness to remember what real (conservative) leadership is like, and to seek it.

It was the so-called moderates who voted Carter into office.

543 posted on 12/29/2006 8:58:20 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Howlin
"Gerald Ford and the Helsinki Accords"

Good Lord! Gerald Ford couldn't even remember in a debate with Carter that Poland was still in the Soviet Bloc!!! Gerald Fords greatest accomplishment was to appoint ultra liberal John Paul Stevens to the US Supreme Court!

Now you're gonna try to carve up all the Reagan conservative movement members just like I watched Gerald Ford do on more interviews on NBC tonight! He was horrified at the right turn the Party took after Carter and evidently so are you!

Your crowd just thinks conservatism in something you can take for granted when you want to be in power. It's been a rough marriage. You can't stand us, yet you can't have power without us!

Wise up and stop insulting us like the former President did in his posthumus interviews on NBC tonight!!!

615 posted on 12/29/2006 9:26:36 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's new unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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