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To: Dr. Frank fan

There have been no "grand announcements". Iran has been at war with us for 27 years as the USSR was at war with us for 40. Neither case requires an invasion or military action except through proxies at this point.

You keep overlooking the fact that the American people have rejected a foreign policy which takes the fight to our enemies. How do you overcome that fact?


66 posted on 12/28/2006 7:36:30 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
[cold war] Neither case requires an invasion or military action except through proxies at this point.

That's fine - I'm not saying that invasion/military action is necessarily the best course - but if we have decided that it isn't, we shouldn't be playing up the fact that Iran is fighting us! Because that is saying "we know you are fighting us, and we are going to do nothing about it." That has repercussions not only in the particular "cold/proxy war" against Iran, but for our "national honor" as well - in short, it makes us a more appealing target to others.

Also, your statement carries a presumption that the way we handled USSR was necessarily the optimal course. That's not necessarily correct! And even if it was, our calculated reluctance to engage USSR openly (thus influencing the way we behaved in Vietnam, etc.) had a rational basis, owing to the USSR's huge nuclear deterrent. But Iran has no such deterrent. Thus what we are saying to the world (not just to Iran, mind you!) at this time is: "When we know someone is engaging in acts of war against us, we will complain about it. Then we will do nothing of substance. Because we are very easily deterred. You don't even have to have nukes to deter us nowadays. We are scared even of attacking a country like Iran. That's how easily deterred we are."

Is this a good message to be sending to the world in your opinion? If your answer is "no", then what's your point? Because that's all I'm saying.

You keep overlooking the fact that the American people have rejected a foreign policy which takes the fight to our enemies. How do you overcome that fact?

The answer is: you don't overplay your hand. If you're right that the political will isn't there to sustain military action, that's ok, but then we need to shut up about Iran's fighting against us. It does no good whatsoever and makes us look absolutely weak to (a) openly acknowledge proof of Iran's complicity in a proxy war against us but then (b) do nothing of substance besides the talking. If you disagree (and you seem to, since you keep responding..), then tell me how it helps to jibber-jabber about Iran and nothing more?

69 posted on 12/28/2006 8:08:22 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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