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To: pissant
So gunbarrel democracy aint a bad thing, especially when you consider the alternatives.

I know. People actually determining their own fate?!? My God, the absolute terror of it all. Oh wait, that's what this nation did isn't it? So it's good enough for us but contrary to the Framers we have to make sure it's good enough for everybody else too. It is not only unfeasible, it is impossible to make a lasting change by the barrel of a gun. Many of the nations you mentioned that democracy still exists in today had already made forays into that form of government or relations with countries that had western forms of government before US forces 'introduced' it.

It would have worked in Vietnam had the dems not pulled the rug out from under that war.

I know. Can you imagine it? Vietnam as one of the capitalistic leaders of Southeast Asia. What kind of economy that would have been....oh wait, that's happening now isn't it? Where were Bush and Blair recently? And without one gun.....Guess Johnson and his 'dominoes' were full of it.

94 posted on 12/27/2006 8:03:16 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears

People actually determining THEIR own fate huh? Oh for the days when every evil dictator was satisfied with oppressing his own people. That was probably the norm back in 7000 BC when it was too onerous to seek out the enslavement of the neighbors. Once horses were trained, seems the evil people had every intention of causing mischief as far as they could reach. Then chariots, ships, gunpowder, planes just added to it.

The history of the world has been a history of fight or be eaten. Nothing has changed, except that 230 years ago, the greatest country in the history of the world was formed. They threw off the shackles of colonialization and formed a more perfect union, that codified the inalienable rights of man.

Of those heroic individuals that you think so disdained any meddling (the meddling they disdained was choosing sides in the 1000 year on going battles between France, Spain, Prussia and England), George Washington cut his teeth fighting the French and Indians and did not hesitate to crush indian uprisings after independence, John Adams spent years in France and Holland with a tin cup for donations but managed to fight France on the high seas in the Quasi-War for two years, Thomas Jefferson - the father of "no entaglements" -jumped down the throats of the Barbary Pirates and Tripoli. Madison, father of the Constitution, sided with France leading to the War of 1812 and Andrew Jackson's fame. It goes on and on. From the Indian wars driven by manifest Destiny, to the Monroe Doctrine to the Mexican-American War.

We have become a great nation, despite all this meddling. And when you have islamo scum breathing down your neck, not crushing the ragheads is not only cowardly, its immoral.


107 posted on 12/27/2006 8:33:13 PM PST by pissant
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