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NEA's Plan for Reducing School Dropouts (Slavery for 18 to 21 year olds?)
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Posted on 12/27/2006 5:59:04 PM PST by wintertime

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That too!

What a $illy idea!


21 posted on 12/27/2006 6:24:59 PM PST by bannie
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To: wintertime

Aren't there some rock pile somewere that we could conscript the NEA officials into breaking into tiny gravel?


22 posted on 12/27/2006 6:26:55 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Gabz; Tired of Taxes

>>>universal preschool and full-day kindergarten<<<<<

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 12/27/2006 6:27:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: randog
Or else what? A stern look?

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No..it will be "graduation centers" for 22 to 25 year olds...of course! Just as they want younger and younger kids in their indoctrination centers, they will demand older and older adults.

Hm,,,I can see it now, "Graduating Centers" for recalcitrant 60 year olds..hm? Do they get to collect social security for having warmed a "graduating center" seat for 40 or more years?
24 posted on 12/27/2006 6:28:13 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: Dan Evans
decided to take the GED high school

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

If government school teachers were required to take the GED, 3/4th would fail. Maybe we could recruit Jonas to teach them.
25 posted on 12/27/2006 6:29:53 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: Calpernia

My daughetr did both full day pre-school and kindergarten and LOVED......however, she did so by my choice. I do not and will not support either being mandatory.

As a parent it is my responsibility to see to her education, regardless of what route I choose to utilize for said education.


26 posted on 12/27/2006 6:30:32 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: wintertime

wintertime, you are the most bitter, jealous poster I've ever seen on FreeRepublic.


27 posted on 12/27/2006 6:31:00 PM PST by bannie
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To: Gabz

My daughter did preschool. One of my sons didn't want to.

Even full time K is too much for some. Full time should be by choice. K isn't even manadtory in all states. I doubt many even realize that.

I'm stuck on the mandatory.


28 posted on 12/27/2006 6:33:02 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Why do you rely on credentials at all?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Faster and easier to screen out the hopeless. If an applicant only has a high school diploma they are 99 times out of 100 hopeless.

I do make one exception. I will high schoolers ( not even graduates) who are immigrants or children of immigrants. If I see on their application that they speak Dinga and/or Ibbibio or **any*** other foreign language, they get an interview.

The young lady from Nigeria who did speak Dinga and Ibbibio ( sorry spelling) worked out very well.
29 posted on 12/27/2006 6:34:41 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime

The best answer I know to poppycock like this:
http://www.nea.org/presscenter/actionplan1.html

is this:
The Underground History of American Education
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc2.htm
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc3.htm
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc4.htm
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc5.htm

and especially this:
Chapter Fifteen
The Psychopathology Of Everyday Schooling

None of the familiar school sequences is defensible according to the rules of evidence, all are arbitrary; most grounded in superstition or aesthetic prejudice of one sort or another. Pestalozzi’s basic “Simple to Complex” formulation, for instance, is a prescription for disaster in the classroom.

What Really Goes On

School wreaks havoc on human foundations in at least eight substantive ways so deeply buried few notice them, and fewer still can imagine any other way for children to grow up:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/15d.htm


30 posted on 12/27/2006 6:35:21 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: wintertime
Does it occur to them that a certain percentage of the population is utterly incapable of graduating from high school? To force them, or any unwilling young adult, into government "graduation centers " until age 21 is nothing less than torture, imprisonment, and slavery.

If you're referring to the severely mentally retarded, many of them already attend public schools until they are 21. In some cases, it's mostly respite care for the families...

I do see that the NEA has coopted one of your suggestions from a thread a couple of weeks ago:

Involve families in students' learning at school and at home in new and creative ways so that all families-single-parent families, families in poverty, and families in minority communities-can support their children's academic achievement, help their children engage in healthy behaviors, and stay actively involved in their children's education from preschool through high school graduation.

Do you still agree that schools ought to be helping dysfunctional families?

31 posted on 12/27/2006 6:35:59 PM PST by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: wintertime

I'm sure I would fail, as evidenced by the GRE, SAT scores and by my masters from University of Virginia. Yep, I'd fail for sure!


32 posted on 12/27/2006 6:37:30 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime
To compete in the 21st century, all of our citizens, at minimum, need a high school education.

Must one attend high school to obtain a high school education?

My grandfather's formal schooling ended with the eighth grade. Nevertheless, he was better educated than the average high school graduate of today. Anyone having the desire to learn and the ability to read can obtain an education.

33 posted on 12/27/2006 6:37:34 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Calpernia

The mandatory is also my problem.


34 posted on 12/27/2006 6:39:07 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: Amelia

Students with disabilities may attend school until the year in which they turn 22 or until they have earned a diploma, whatever comes first. For those with severe and profound disabilities, the school is often a god-send and after school ends, they often go to institutions because the parents are not capable of caring for them.


35 posted on 12/27/2006 6:39:41 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"That's a billion a year? What the hell are the going to do? "

Thats 9.9 billion to the union and the .1 left will buy a few lunches to motivate teachers


36 posted on 12/27/2006 6:41:02 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: wintertime
But, but, but isn't this going to hurt their self-esteem? Let's just say they graduated, give them all a diploma and save the 10 billion.
37 posted on 12/27/2006 6:41:38 PM PST by Between the Lines (Liberalism: the insanity that results from too many people living in close proximity to one another.)
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To: wintertime

More welfare for the nincompoops in the NEA.

I'm surprised they did not include making homeschooling illegal.


38 posted on 12/27/2006 6:42:12 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
More welfare for the nincompoops in the NEA.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Softballmom would likely pass the GED.
39 posted on 12/27/2006 6:43:35 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: wintertime

If 12 years isnt enough for the union to teach kids how to read what good will a couple more do?


40 posted on 12/27/2006 6:43:41 PM PST by driftdiver
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