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To: Mr. Silverback

"Publicity stunt BS. Not that her service isn't noble and valuable, but if you really think we're falling so short on recruiting that we have to go out and find Grandma's, you're smoking something."

"BTW, before the next time you lecture an X-er who served in the volunteer military about the vaunted patriotism of the Boomers, you might want to consider the reasons that many of those young Boomer men volunteered. A man who joined up served less time (2 years vs. 3, IIRC) and was far more likely to get into a technical specialty and learn a trade. Also, if one preferred a certain service it was best to volunteer rather than taking a chance. This was especially true of the Air Force and Navy, which received far fewer draftees than the Army and Marines.

"I wouldn't call myself a bona fide expert, but I've been writing on military subjects for over a decade and know plenty, thank you."

"Let me put it this way: Last year a military historian was sending me chapters of his book to comment on, and he quoted one of my articles as a source."






OK, I believe you, I don't know if you write about administrative things like pay or what, but you laid down that false information about the draft as though you knew what you were talking about.

Saying draftees served longer than enlistees, and talking about navy and air force draftees with complete confidence seems a little odd, and it was odd that you kept trying to paint me as attacking the military, when I was attacking their lesser brothers for not joining them.


73 posted on 12/26/2006 9:38:02 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: ansel12
when I was attacking their lesser brothers for not joining them.

Ahhhh.. There's the problem right there....

Y'know--It's a volunteer military now. You can't condemn people for not volunteering--then it's not voluntary

I certainly don't consider anyone 'lesser' for not joining. Let them freely go and not serve:

If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires:
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England:
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more, methinks, would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is called the feast of Crispian:
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispin's day.'
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember with advantages
What feats he did that day: then shall our names.
Familiar in his mouth as household words
Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester,
Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

--Shakespeare, Henry V Speech on the Eve of the Battle of Agincourt.

78 posted on 12/26/2006 10:19:34 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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