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Here come the 'liberaltarians'?
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Sunday, December 24, 2006 | Robyn Blumner

Posted on 12/25/2006 7:07:01 PM PST by Sunsong

”The libertarian vote is up for grabs in a way it may have never been before. A compelling case is being made for the economically conservative yet socially liberal libertarians to switch their political allegiances from Republican to Democrat, a trend that has already begun.

”Brink Lindsey, a scholar with the libertarian nonprofit Cato Institute, lays out the reasoning in "Liberaltarians," a provocative essay in The New Republic. He explains that the defining ideology of the American right for the last 50 years has been conservative fusionism, which recognized the common interest in both social and economic conservatives to protect traditional values from the intrusion of big government.

”But when social conservatives came to power and started to use big government to impose their cultural vision on others, the libertarian disaffection began.

”Libertarian voters were repulsed by the religious right's impulses to deny gays the right to marry and to interfere with Michael Schiavo's decisions about his wife Terri's end of life. Then, when an entirely Republican federal government abandoned any pretense of small government by spending uncontrollably, nation-building in Iraq and replacing science with theology, the trickle became a stream.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: government; homosexualagenda; liberaltarians; libertarian; libertarians; perverts
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To: Hugin
There is no party of small government.

That makes a nice tagline. (see how it looks on me- [does it make my butt look big?])

21 posted on 12/25/2006 7:53:51 PM PST by budwiesest (There is no party of small government.)
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To: SteveMcKing
No we weren't.

Speak for yourself.

22 posted on 12/25/2006 7:55:37 PM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Just like leftist Christians.


23 posted on 12/25/2006 7:56:02 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Sooo...advocating for smaller government, offends you, why?


24 posted on 12/25/2006 7:56:21 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Sunsong

I prefer libertarians to Rudy-supporters. At least they are firm in their ideals and aren't willing to give away conservative ideals to win an election. What good is having a republican win if it's just another gun grabbing, free-spech stomping rino who cheats on his wife and loves the idea of hoovering babies out of women.


25 posted on 12/25/2006 7:57:02 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Merry Christmas! SAY NO TO RUDY!)
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To: cryptical
Leaping to use Federal power to influence the outcome of a local matter because you don't like the local outcome isn't a conservative position, IMO.

Thank you.

26 posted on 12/25/2006 7:57:12 PM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: Hugin
There is no party of small government.

Nope. The GOP is simply The Party of (slightly) Lesser Evil.

27 posted on 12/25/2006 7:59:01 PM PST by Wormwood (I'm with you in Rockland)
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To: SteveMcKing

Me neither. Where do these guys come up with this stuff? Is it completely made up?

No Libertarian would want the Government re-defining words that have had a fixed meaning for millennia to suit a trendy homosexual agenda.

Neither would we condone starving someone to death - with government sanction or without it. What this guy seems to be saying is that Libertarians oppose laws against murder, at least where the victim is ill and had been married to the perpetrator at one time.

Rubbish. And considering the source, its not surprising to find it there.


28 posted on 12/25/2006 7:59:02 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: patton
The problem with your view is that government was used to impose the Left's social values on society and the only way to reverse that is through government action.
29 posted on 12/25/2006 7:59:07 PM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: ekwd

"My view?" Pray tell, what is my view?


30 posted on 12/25/2006 8:01:23 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: sageb1; hosepipe; Lancey Howard; Mr. Mojo; cryptical; Col Sanders; KDD; Hugin; zarf; budwiesest; ...
This is interesting, based on the discussion here. Some dems are saying they want to restrain spending:

washington post

31 posted on 12/25/2006 8:02:52 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Fierce Allegiance

LOL. Well said.


32 posted on 12/25/2006 8:03:24 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Col Sanders

I figure that government may be the answer, but that should be rare, and practically the founders had it pretty close to right with the enumerated powers in the Constitution.

I would repeal the 16th amendment, myself, but would add put an amendment to put the commerce clause back to it pre FDR status.

I would further extend liberty by amendment to protect rights from infringement by US states. I believe this was an intent of the 14th amendment, but the SCOTUS interpreted that out fairly quickly.


33 posted on 12/25/2006 8:04:51 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: Sunsong

Well of course they do...on our side of the aisle.


34 posted on 12/25/2006 8:05:31 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Coyoteman
I've read that, and while Pournelle makes some good points, I still belive that Washington was right - It's not really all that complicated even though modern man has tried to make it so.

Regards,

Col Sanders

35 posted on 12/25/2006 8:06:21 PM PST by Col Sanders (I ought to tear your no-good Goddang preambulatory bone frame, and nail it to your government walls)
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To: Sunsong
They said...

"Raising taxes would certainly be an option," Conrad said in an interview. "The president, this is his policy. He's got an obligation to pay for it."

36 posted on 12/25/2006 8:06:27 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: patton

Where are you getting the "big" and "small" government stuff from my post? I SAID, Libertarians have been renamed and pigeonholed by the wacky Liberals in the Liberal MSM in the same way that they pigeonholed and labeled Soccer Moms, NASCAR dads, etc. What does that have to do with the size of government? My comment was about Liberals in the "media" labeling people.


37 posted on 12/25/2006 8:07:38 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: Col Sanders
Wow. Thanks for that, Col Sanders.

It cannot continue in this manner forever.

Especially when even most Republicans now advocating more government intrusion.

38 posted on 12/25/2006 8:08:09 PM PST by Swordfished
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To: Wormwood

Actually, it really wasn't a local matter. Ask Soros.


39 posted on 12/25/2006 8:08:28 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Sunsong
Some dems are saying they want to restrain spending:

They're lying.

40 posted on 12/25/2006 8:09:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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