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To: Common Tator
100 years ago this nation was swamped with illegal immigrants. Day after day ships full of Italians arrived on our shores.

You shouldn't opine when you don't know what you are talking about.

It was exactly 100 years ago last month that my father came over on the boat from Italy. Neither he or the rest of the people on that ship were "illegal". They were vetted before they could book passage and had to go through an elaborate process at Ellis Island that sometimes took days. Their identity was cross referenced to ship logs (still available today from Ellis Island records, now online) and they were required to show funds for onward travel and a destination sponsor. They were cleverly quizzed by immigration inspectors to see if the were anarchists or seditionists. They were give a physical and often were sent back on the next boat for illness we might consider trivial today, like conjunctivitis.

Your bigotted comment on the derivation of WOPS (without papers) is also off the mark. Wops is an anglicized corruption of an Italian word the Calabrian and Sicilian Italian commumity used itself back in Italy to refer to thugs and con men. It comes from "guappo", literally meaning "pretty boy", but applied to slick-haired enforcers and strongarm guys.

These Italians did not sneak across any borders. A century later you can track who they were from the day they arrived at a legal entry station. And they came here to be Americans. When they got on that boat they knew they would never see their homeland or their families again. Passing the Statue of Liberty meant something to them. My dad talked of how the ship became hushed and silent as these immigrants saw the first symbol of THEIR new land. Several years later, the ink on his naturalization certificate still wet, he would lose his right lung and seven ribs to a German shell in the Argonne Forest, his only trip out of his new country.

Like my father, they quickly learned English because they knew where their future lie. They weren't pandered to by politicians. They were on their own. The Little Italys where they first lived were but waystations on their way to the American dreams that produced Scalias and Iacoccas and Giamattis, not daylabor sites to grab some quick money to send home.

Learn your history before you start to talk about it.

140 posted on 12/25/2006 10:20:14 PM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill
"Learn your history before you start to talk about it"You have nailed the issue perfectly, as the forked-tongue parrots of the politico's who talk about "we're a nation of immigrants" try to equate immigrants with illegals in the same breath.

I, too, had parents who appear on the log at Ellis Island, and were proud to have learned English, proud to have become U.S. Citizens, and passed through the gauntlet that was the pathway to the free country that promised a better life.

No reliance on handouts, self-reliant, and self-determinate, abiding the laws and wanting to be part of the traditions that were American.

In NO way is the illegal invasion of today ANYTHING near the immigration that was always the pathway to America.

Whenever you hear a politician say "comprehensive", it's code for "sellout" and amnesty in regards to giving the criminals a free pass for the benefit only to the corporate donors.

161 posted on 12/26/2006 4:32:26 AM PST by traditional1
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