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"neoconservatives (aka "liberals in disguise")'

What a pantload. Neocons were solidly behind the Iraq war, the wreckage of which paleos cling to like lifesavers. The error we neocons made was in thinking Arabs, when free to choose, would choose democracy. Our bad. That doesn't make one a liberal. In fact, liberty used to be a conservative thing.

Giving them a 'democracy' is a great idea on paper. However, it's very difficult to transform regions of the world that have a 7th century mentality in a few years. Many of the 'people' in that part of the world have a savage animalistic barbaric mindset... and sadly it's not going to change anytime soon.

"The error we neocons made was in thinking Arabs, when free to choose, would choose democracy. Our bad. That doesn't make one a liberal. In fact, liberty used to be a conservative thing."

Your first statement is a brilliant analysis. As someone who had a lot of misgivings about invading Iraq I find myself sadly justified. Some people would rather have theocracy than democracy. Ultra orthodox Rabbis, Popes and Mullahs alike seem to view that the order of mankind on earth should be reflective of some supposed order in heaven.

But as far as Liberty being a conservative thing? Maybe briefly in a few limited places (and mostly here in North America and in England), but I would respectfully suggest that even today Thomas Paine or Thomas Jefferson would be considered very dangerous to the established order, nearly anywhere on earth. I really , REALLY doubt that the department of Homeland Security would NOT take notice of someone who states "A little revolution now and then is a good thing; the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"!
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"What a pantload. Neocons were solidly behind the Iraq war, the wreckage of which paleos cling to like lifesavers. The error we neocons made was in thinking Arabs, when free to choose, would choose democracy. Our bad. That doesn't make one a liberal. In fact, liberty used to be a conservative thing."

Iraq is repudiation of Multiculturalism in general, and the "Proposition Nation" in particular. Neocons need to make the connection. These are very liberal notions based on the demonstrable fiction that "all cultures are equal".

Ignoring the civilizational aspects of the American Culture (yes, Virginia, we have a culture) and how these are vital to the success of the nation and her people.

Thinking that everything is economics is what chains us to the galley of Globalism, the "New World Order", and unchecked third world immigration.

The Neocons need to wake up and smell the Kool-aid.