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Russian bullying over oil is 'a wake-up call'
Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 12/25/2006

Posted on 12/25/2006 8:26:26 AM PST by nctexan

Russia's use of energy supplies as a political weapon should be a wake-up call to Britain and the West to deal urgently with the threat, senior Conservatives said last night.

Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, stepped up Tory calls for a Nato-style "energy pact" after Gazprom, Russia's state-controlled energy giant, forced the pro-Western former Soviet republic of Georgia to accept a doubling of gas prices.

"While the West has been focused on the Middle East, we have seen the resurgence of Russian nationalism and a willingness to use natural resources as a political weapon," he said. "Given the nature of Russia's political leadership, this is hardly surprising. Following events in Ukraine, and now Georgia, it is high time for a wake-up call to western politicians. We have been warned."

Georgia declared the price increase "unacceptable" and "politically motivated" but was forced to accept when Russia threatened to cut off supplies. Last night the president of Azerbaijan, another former Soviet republic that is being asked to pay twice the price for its gas, accused the Russian company of "ugly" behaviour and said his country would not be bullied into accepting. President Ilham Aliev said that if Moscow insisted on doubling the price of gas to $230 (£117) per thousand cubic metres, Azerbaijan would be forced to "change the balance of power" and rely on its own oil reserves instead. That might mean restricting Azerbaijan's oil exports, which pass through Russia, in order to fuel domestic power stations, he said.

Although Azerbaijan produces only half the natural gas it needs, Mr Aliev told a Russian radio station, it would not give in to Moscow. "To take advantage of this deficiency is ugly," he said.

In the first sign of a regional backlash, he attacked Russia's use of energy as a tool of foreign policy, although he was careful not to name or criticise President Vladimir Putin personally. The price of oil and gas should "be a commercial matter", immune from attempts to "politicise it", Mr Aliev said.


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KEYWORDS: europe; gasputin; liamfox; oil; russia; russian; uk
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To: Kozak
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism

Which definition suits your use of the word?

21 posted on 12/25/2006 9:45:51 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (The barbarian)
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To: kerryusama04

<<< You know, why not tax carbon emissions? >>>

Yet more taxes? I think not!


22 posted on 12/25/2006 9:46:22 AM PST by Never2baCrat (I used to be modest, now I'm perfect!)
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To: kerryusama04

Uhh. Not quite. The Left wing of the GOP ALLIED with the Rats , the idiot RINO's in the Senate blocked all hope of actually doing anything about our energy needs.


23 posted on 12/25/2006 9:48:12 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak
IMO, if you can build a coalition to go to war, you can build one to prevent one. W wasted way too much O2 on Social Security reform and (relatively) none on energy security.

I wonder if things would have turned out a little different if we had developed some energy resources and passed vouchers this past go 'round?

24 posted on 12/25/2006 9:54:12 AM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: nctexan
Why would a country not use any asset under it's control as a "political weapon"? Is there something special about commodoties that are spelled "o-i-l"?

Remember when the US used the Olympic games as a "political weapon"?

25 posted on 12/25/2006 9:55:18 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Kozak
It's not capitalism if the state owns the monopoly supplier ie Gazprom. That's called "Fascism".

The Russian people themselves seem to prefer this setup as opposed to the corrupt organized criminals known as 'oligarchs' who washed an estimated $300 billion in oil profits out of the country during the incompetent Yeltsin administration, and who can blame them? Putin is now saying to Russia's former Republics that if they dance to Western interests at the expense of Russian ones, they will no longer receive preferential pricing on Russian energy. Why shouldn't Putin do what is the best interest of his people?

26 posted on 12/25/2006 9:55:49 AM PST by yuta250
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To: Freelance Warrior
Which definition suits your use of the word?

"Many different characteristics are attributed to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, corporatism,"

A perfect fit for RasPutins New Russia.
27 posted on 12/25/2006 9:57:23 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: yuta250
The Russian people themselves seem to prefer this setup

And LOTs of Good Germans preferred Herr Hitler.
28 posted on 12/25/2006 9:58:31 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak
"Many different characteristics are attributed to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, corporatism,"

1. You definitely use not the dictionary I've posted a link to. Which one?

2. Those characteristics may be necessary but they're not enough for a country to be fascist. A fascict country must implement a racist policy.

3. There're no authoritarianism in Russia - since the government doesn't exercise complete control over individual lives;

No militarism either, since little money are spent on the military;

And no nationalism and that's not good since nationalism is a good thing; But there are some nationalist NGOs.

No corporatism, Russian government's structure isn't like of a corporation.

A perfect fit for RasPutins New Russia.

Using invectives is a sign that the speaker ran out of logical arguments.

29 posted on 12/25/2006 10:13:59 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (The barbarian)
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To: Freelance Warrior

Or had joined Hitler against the USSR in 1941.


Nope: I dont go along with that.

Hitler needed killing, but so did Stalin.


30 posted on 12/25/2006 10:16:41 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Nope: I dont go along with that. Hitler needed killing, but so did Stalin.

But why does the sequence make difference? By joining Hitler the USA coule have killed Stalin and later Hitler by turning on Hilter after that.

I'm no expert in WWII history and, moreover, have no intention to become one, but the USSR engaged 80% of the Hitler's land divisions. This fact worth considering.

31 posted on 12/25/2006 10:28:34 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (The barbarian)
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To: yuta250

You think state-run monopolies are capitalist? Where did you learn that? When governments control the economy, it's called socialism, not capitalism.


32 posted on 12/25/2006 10:32:18 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: yuta250

Antagonizing Russia's neighbors and making an enemy of the USA are in Russia's best interests? No, they're not. Putin is robbing the Russian people blind just like his comrade Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Only naive fools believe the Russian people will enjoy the profits of Putin's energy grab. Only his crooked siloviki chekists will and the oligarchs he's in cahoots with, like Roman Abramovich. Putin made this oligarch billions richer instead of sending him to prison. He only got rid of a few oligarchs on the behalf of their competition. He's a gangster thug.


33 posted on 12/25/2006 10:37:01 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Freelance Warrior

1.Wikepedia. You are not the authority on definitions of English.
2. No it doesn't. It's a way of organizing the relationship between the government and business.
3. Russia is well on the way to authrotarionism under RasPutin. Totalitarian governments control all the details, authoritarian governments just control the big picture.
4. Funny, just read all about the modernization of the Russian nuclear strike forces, new missiles bombers etc. Lots of sales shady customers like Iran and Syria to help build up the defence industry.
5. Hah Ha. Putin nationalizes industry after industry and puts his cronies on the boards, but no corporatism.

RasPutin is a perfect description of the current ruler of russia.

Specializing in straw arguments is a sign of FR's rabid Putinistas. So who are you the reincarnation of?


34 posted on 12/25/2006 10:39:34 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: nctexan
We are tapping our own resources. I am working on a rig right now.

There is more to the oil patch than ANWR and the Deepwater G.O.M., but to hear the media spew, you'd never know it.

We are going to need a wee bit of transport and refining infrastructure, however, and we'd better start putting that together soon.

Besides, Russia is just showing its dark Soviet roots when it siezes oil production--and oil companies.

As for gas prices, they were up, and the rates were not. It's always tough to be a buyer in a seller's market.

35 posted on 12/25/2006 10:51:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Do you have a problem with Gazprom receiving market price for their products, or do you think they are obligated to maintain their subsidized lower prices to their former Republics? Which policy is more within the spirit of capitalism? Yes, I'm aware that the Russian government now has a controlling interest in Gazprom, but after them being raped by the oligarchs, I can't say that I'm surprised by this development. The Russian people seem quite happy with Putin and his policies, and as far as I am concerned they are entitled to run their country as they see fit. It is not only naive but downright stupid to expect them to acquiece to Western interests in this matter after them having witnessed much of their oil wealth being siphoned off during the Yeltsin era to a handfull of organized criminals that cozied up to the West who indirectly supported this plunder.


36 posted on 12/25/2006 10:54:31 AM PST by yuta250
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To: Decombobulator
I think the US should invade Alberta and commandeer those resources

Why? The local pipelines are already at capacity with the stuff.

Just build another pipeline, they'll sell us more.

37 posted on 12/25/2006 10:56:27 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: CottShop
The dems are not sleeping, they're in a stinkin coma!

For God's sake, leave them there!

They have never done the domestic oil patch any favors, and I'd rather they were out cold, thank you!

We can find what America needs a lot easier without their 'help'.

38 posted on 12/25/2006 11:00:43 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: yuta250
If you really believe in the free market, then you don't have to guess which socialist policy is more in the "spirit" of capitalism. In a real free market, prices are dictated by the market, not by governments. Prices dictated by governments are by definition never market prices.

Free enterprise is not in "western" interests, it's in everyone's interests, including Russians. State-run centrally controlled command economy doesn't work and Russians should have learned that. As far as "the west" supporting the plunder of Russia, that was the Clinton administration. The American people rejected Clinton's party and put Bush into power, so we are not the same people who plundered Russia. Only the stupid and anti-American make no distinction between Clinton and Bush. Putin on the other hand was Yeltsin's chosen successor. Putin continues Yeltsin's looting of Russia. Only suckers believe he is really against the oligarchs. Just ask Mikhail Fridman, or Roman Abramovich.

39 posted on 12/25/2006 11:23:29 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Smokin' Joe

if they come to hit em again I say-


40 posted on 12/25/2006 11:36:47 AM PST by CottShop
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