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To: ScubieNuc

You're talking about permanent government types. People Like Richard Clark and Jamie Gorelick fit into that category.

Incidentally Clark was one of those who felt that foreign connections to OKC were overlooked.


25 posted on 12/25/2006 7:24:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Those types are lifers, whereas Presidents and administrations come and go. I certainly don't have all the dots connected to point a finger at any one group or person, but I most certainly know that more goes on behind the scenes then most people realize.

I should clarify some of my thoughts, before "moonbat" monikers start following my posts around. One, a conspiracy is simply an organized lie. Merriam-Webster says this about conspire...to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement. Anyone who doesn't think that people and groups of people in our multifaceted government lie to the general public on a daily basis are.....clueless.

The degree of the majority of conspiracies, I believe, are small. Lies designed to protect friends or punish enemies. However, once someone has the goods on you, which would end your service to the government, you become available to be used by such people to cover up other wrongs.

I know of this on a personal basis. I am not proud of my envolvement, and the end result wasn't life threatening, but it did open my eyes to how easy things can get buried. Now your wondering what the h*77 I'm talking about. Well, here's my little story...

I was in the Navy, stationed on a Nuclear Submarine. I got electrocuted (440 v) while performing maintenance. It just knocked me down, no permanent damage (unless you talk to me wife, but that's another story). However, my DivO wrote me up for Capt. mast for failing to follow proper procedures. I was young and was thinking my Navy life was going down the tubes, when the leading Nuc Senior Chief stepped in and saved me. He told the DivO to write him up as well, because he said that he authorized my work procedures. Needless to say no mast happened, only retraining on safety practices.

After that though the Senior Chief let me know that I owed him, and I felt that I did anyway. I was his "boy." If he wanted coffee (blonde and two sweets) I got it. If he needed extra ice cream, I got it. Clean his uniform, yep, I did it.

Then it happened, I was working the weekend with him, boat tied to the pier, and he was sloshed in the chiefs quarters. I think they had a supply up there, but whatever, that was a no-no. A new ensign getting a tour noticed him and reported him to someone at squadron. He concocked a story and I was one of his witnesses (I lied). He didn't get into trouble, and nobody died, but I felt very compromised.

Now take that situation and put it into any government office, and I can clearly see people lieing over little things that can get them into hawk so that they wind up lieing over bigger things.

Like the joke about "would you sleep with me for 1 dollar. No. Would you sleep with me for 1 million dollars. Yes. Youre a prostitute, it's just now we are negotiating a price." Once you cover something up, youre (I'm) a liar. The size of the coverup is just determining how big of a liar you are willing to be.

Well that felt good. Until, NCIS knocks on my door, then I deny everything. 8^)


41 posted on 12/25/2006 9:34:25 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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