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Immigrants Go From Farms to Jails, and a Climate of Fear Settles In
New York Times ^ | December 24, 2006 | By NINA BERNSTEIN

Posted on 12/24/2006 5:21:38 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin2

ELBA, N.Y. — A cold December rain gusted across fields of cabbage destined for New York City egg rolls, cole slaw and Christmas goose. Ankle-deep in mud, six immigrant farmworkers raced to harvest 120,000 pounds before nightfall, knowing that at dawn they could find immigration agents at their door.

The farmer who stopped to check their progress had lost 28 other workers in a raid in October, all illegal Mexican immigrants with false work permits at another farm here in western New York. Throughout the region, farm hands have simply disappeared by twos and threes, picked up on a Sunday as they went to church or to the laundry. Whole families have gone into hiding, like the couple who spent the night with their child in a plastic calf hutch.

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For Rodney and Debbie Brown, the dairy farmers in Clifton Springs who lost 6 of their 10 employees to immigration arrests, the experience began like an episode of “The Twilight Zone.”

When no workers showed up at 6:30 a.m. on Aug. 28 to help milk 580 waiting cows, Mr. Brown went to the farmhouse where most of their Hispanic employees lived, only to find it eerily empty. Some of the workers had been with the Browns for more than seven years.

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Later, the Browns learned that agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement had been waiting for the workers in their driveway at dawn with state troopers, and had whisked them to the 450-bed detention center in Batavia, where there were 3,094 admissions this year. Like an estimated 650,000 immigrants in New York State and some 11 million nationally, the employees were in the United States illegally....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: alieninvasion; aliens; crimaliens; crimigration; enforcement; enforcethelaws; farming; ice; immigration
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To: TomGuy

Notice when ICE raided the Swift packing plant the next day real legal AMERICAN workers made a line out the door to get jobs.

There ARE jobs Americans want.


41 posted on 12/24/2006 6:41:00 AM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!! GO RUDY GO!!!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

The next step in this would be to audit the employer records to verify that all payroll and related taxes have been paid on a timely basis. Not to mention the I-('s which should be available for review as well.


42 posted on 12/24/2006 6:42:49 AM PST by Bernard ("Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." Will Rogers)
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To: BunnySlippers

Thank you

These are not jobs Americans will not do. This is jobs that Americans need for themselves


43 posted on 12/24/2006 6:43:23 AM PST by Dov in Houston (Hmmmm....)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
Throughout the region, farm hands have simply disappeared by twos and threes, picked up on a Sunday as they went to church or to the laundry. Whole families have gone into hiding, like the couple who spent the night with their child in a plastic calf hutch.
Wow! This is turning out to be one heck of Christmas Eve with all these 'two-fer' stories being published about these poor 'immigrants'.

  1. And..



44 posted on 12/24/2006 6:43:44 AM PST by Condor51 (Mayor Daley (D-Chi) For POTUS . Really, why not? He's more conservative than Rudy!)
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To: Bernard
I-('s

That's I-9. I don't think the government has run out of alpha characters for forms, yet.

45 posted on 12/24/2006 6:46:11 AM PST by Bernard ("Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for." Will Rogers)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

The second they are released they are still criminal invaders. They are continuing their crime every second they remain in our country. Even if the charge is dropped completely they are still committing the crime.


46 posted on 12/24/2006 6:47:41 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Too bad the story didn't reveal how much the farmers were paying these Mexicans.
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Often these stories never do, nor do they report if the employer did the appropriate withholding, nor do they ever say if workman's comp. is being paid, nor do they say how many of the families of these workers aren't offered health insurance and how often they have received public services or have been treated in medical offices or establishments, nor do the articles mention how many kids are enrolled in the school system and at what cost, nor do these articles ever discuss how many phony social security numbers are used by these employees or how many are using the numbers of others etc. etc etc etc etc


47 posted on 12/24/2006 6:52:05 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

I read the article carefully and I am still confused. What is the relationship between cabbage and goose? Would the cabbage be laid down as garnish for the geese? I have seen duck served this way. The article doesn't make it clear. Egg rolls and cole slaw, to be sure. Those items are self explanatory. But the goose item, not so self-evident.

If they are going to do a food article on the uses of cabbage they really should provide more details. Also, the crime blotter should be in a separate part of the paper.


48 posted on 12/24/2006 6:53:33 AM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: humblegunner

Immigration and Customs Enforcement had been waiting for the workers in their driveway at dawn with state troopers, and had whisked them to the 450-bed detention center.
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At great expense to taxpayers! No proof of citizenship = first overcrowded cattlecar back to Mexico. That would be progress.


49 posted on 12/24/2006 7:02:42 AM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Joan Kerrey
nor do these articles ever discuss how many phony social security numbers are used by these employees or how many are using the numbers of others etc. etc etc etc etc

Or the unimaginable hassle people who legitimately possess those social security numbers have to go through after receiving that intimidating letter from IRS demanding payment of income taxes on the unreported income.

50 posted on 12/24/2006 7:08:32 AM PST by McGavin999 (Don't bring what you ran away from to my home state-Freeper WatchingInAmazement)
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To: TADSLOS

Jury trial. How strong of a case would you have to put forward before you could get a jury of upstate New Yorkers to convict this couple? You'd have to show that they were intentionally and systematically violating the law, not just negligent.


51 posted on 12/24/2006 7:15:22 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
Federal prosecutors then brought felony charges against the workers for using fake Social Security numbers to get their milking jobs.

So, using fake Social Security numbers is a felony. Now I ask all the sob-sisters here on FR who moan and groan about the making of felons out of illegals for just crossing a border looking for work.

Wake up, boo-hoo sisters, the illegals not only break our nations laws when they first enter our nation illegally but they go on to compound their illegal behavior by securing and using fake Social Security numbers and probably obtaining other documents illegally such as drivers licenses. One criminal activity after another with no end in sight. You, sobber-slobbers, ask us to overlook all these law breaking activities as a way of showing compassion. I ask you, are you also as vocal in asking society and law enforcement officials to overlook the same criminal activities of trespass, obtaining documents under false pretense,obtaining goods and services under false pretenses etc by citizens and LEGAL immigrants?

I would dare guess that most if not all illegals holding jobs (other than those working day jobs for cash) are using fake Social Security numbers and therefore are FELONS and as such belong in custody on their way back to their country of origin!!!

52 posted on 12/24/2006 7:16:03 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: ASA Vet

So you tell them, you can either tell us nothing and we'll deport you, or you can testify against your employers and we'll deport you. What would your understanding of human nature lead you to expect for results?


53 posted on 12/24/2006 7:17:21 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

While I feel for the plight of the children involved, I'm tired of all of the puff pieces that bemoan the fate of the these ILLEGAL ALIENS. These aliens come across the border knowing they are breaking the law, steal or buy false identification; again breaking the law, then use the identification to get a job; yet again breaking the law. At what point do the people that knowingly hire them take responsibility for the fact that they are also breaking the law? Why do we have laws anyway?


54 posted on 12/24/2006 7:17:42 AM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: McGavin999

Speaking of the "Twilight Zone", does anyone remember the one about all the lying reporters running around with thir heads missing? They would write a story and then give it a completely pervrted slant and their heads would fly off. I think.


55 posted on 12/24/2006 7:17:57 AM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: DeaconBenjamin2

"Ankle-deep in mud, six immigrant farmworkers raced to harvest 120,000 pounds before nightfall,"

Which could have easily been done with a couple of harvesting machines had the farmer actually invested in his farm instead of trying to squeeze more money out by using illegal workers.

My son-in-law works on a 600 acre farm planting and harvesting crops with just him, the owner, and the owners wife. That's right, just three (3) people. And they also have 50 head of dairy cows that have to be milked and cared for everyday.

You know why only three can do that? Because the owner 'invested' in his farm by using the machinery necessary to get the job done.

I've talked to him and there is no way he would use 'undocumented workers' there. Besides, he say's it not necessary. (As long as my son-in-law shows up for work everyday)


56 posted on 12/24/2006 7:19:45 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: at bay

There are several years where I have been served sauerkraut with Thanksgiving turkey; I understand it is a holiday tradition among some families in the Northeast. Perhaps others eat sauerkraut with goose for Christmas.


57 posted on 12/24/2006 7:19:56 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
WOW! That's a really impressive graph.

Until you consider that 187K is a measly 1% or so of the number of Criminal Aliens that have invaded out country.

And even less impressive when you consider that in just two months that 187K will be more than replaced by Criminal Aliens streaming across our unprotected border*. And of course, at least several of those will have already been counted in the 187K. A few, counted several times.

*Assuming that figures I've seen of 100K/month are correct.

58 posted on 12/24/2006 7:20:01 AM PST by upchuck (How to win the WOT? Simple: set our rules of engagement to at least match those of our enemy.)
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To: Millicent_Hornswaggle
At what point do the people that knowingly hire them take responsibility for the fact that they are also breaking the law?

At the point they are prosecuted for their actions?

59 posted on 12/24/2006 7:21:30 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin2
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To: DeaconBenjamin2
They shouldn't be told or asked anything at all. They should be gone already.
Any testimony they could give is useless since they are continuing their crime by merely being here.
How much credibility does a bank robber have who continues to rob banks every day?
60 posted on 12/24/2006 7:31:45 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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