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A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
University of Auckland Department of Computer Science ^ | 23 December 2006 | Peter Gutmann

Posted on 12/23/2006 5:51:48 PM PST by IncPen

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To: Central Scrutiniser

I'll stay with the OS that runs my apps and hardware, which means that for the time being I'll keep XP on my desktop.


61 posted on 12/23/2006 8:25:32 PM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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In short and in simple terms: How does this effect Free Republic?


62 posted on 12/23/2006 8:28:51 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: yield 2 the right

Fun on a Saturday night.


63 posted on 12/23/2006 8:37:37 PM PST by ekwd (Murphy's Law Has Not Been Repealed)
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To: Covenantor
Keeping the Timex Sinclair doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all.

My First Computer!



Timex Sinclair 1000
Introduced: July 1982
Price: US $99.95
How many? 500,000 in first 6 months
Weight: 12 ounces
CPU: Zilog Z80A, 3.25MHz
RAM: 2K, 64K max
Display: 22 X 32 text
hooks to TV
Ports: memory, cassette
Peripherals: Cassette recorder
T/S printer
OS: ROM BASIC
64 posted on 12/23/2006 9:05:30 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Exactly. First example: the Walt Disney Corporation. For decades now the employees of Walt Disney have been reaping wild profits off of intellectual property they had no hand in creating. Almost all of the creators of the classic Disney characters are dead, yet these corporate types still leech off of ideas that they never had anything to do with.

Perhaps. But the IP pirates have been stealing work that they had no hand in creating.

One could argue that Disney continues to produce movies financed in part by the "wild profits" they make. (By the way, what level of profit qualifies as "wild" in your view?)

In contrast, file sharers and other IP pirates produce nothing.

How? By paying/bribing Congress to extend copyright protection well beyond any reasonable duration. . . . Return copyright to the original 7 years set by the Founding Fathers (or even to the life of the originator), and all of this mess would go away.

If you are trying to make the case that the intellectual property laws should be changed, then I am willing to listen. I would just ask that you answer some questions:

(1) What is a "reasonable duration" of copyright protection, and why?

(2) How would you go after the corporate "copyright leeches" without also harming writers, artists, and other producers of IP?

(3) What would you propose be done about those who steal IP after the law has been changed to your liking?

That last question is important because, despite your assurance that "all of this mess would go away," I am not convinced. Once a large number of persons come to believe they have the right to enjoy free music, movies, and other IP, why would they ever pay a dime for it?

65 posted on 12/23/2006 9:13:17 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
If my property rights are not protected—if someone can take my work and give it to others without compensating me for it—then there is no meaningful market to speak of.

It's the digital age, friend. Up until now the publishers had all the power and they sneered at their customers at the same time they artificially controlled supply and demand. Which is my entire point. Read Bethell's book. He makes a pretty solid case that 'intellectual property' pretty much evaporates as soon as an idea is expressed.

You seem to be under the impression that I should dislike big, bad media corporations because they have managed to get laws passed to protect their rights give them an unfair advantage in the marketplace.

As it happens, my books are published by one of those corporations. If they lose, so do I.

Can't help you there. Sign better contracts would be my advice.

Perhaps the companies have more rights under the law than I do. But tell me, what rights do I retain when the "file sharers" distribute my work without compensating me?

Well, if it bothers you so much, stop producing work in digital formats. It takes alot of Xerox paper (not to mention a compelling masterpiece) to make all that effort worthwhile.

But who really are the greedy parties here? It seems to me that no one is greedier than those who expect to enjoy the work of others without paying for it.

You seem to view yourself as some sort of victim.

Might I suggest that you stop writing and simply keep your ideas inside, where noone can see them without giving you your due?

At the very least, stop writing to me; I've lost interest in this, your latest novel.

66 posted on 12/23/2006 9:25:38 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Nice reply - the dinosaur media companies and Microsoft have enough clout to make some things illegal that are flying in the face of what's sensible. They are motivated by enormous greed, not by what is sensible public policy.

No, it was a silly reply. Say what you will about the "dinosaur media companies," at least they produce something that other people want. In contrast, file sharers produce nothing.

Sensible public policy would encourage people to produce. It would not encourage people to steal other people's work.

If the church of the medieval monks had enough clout to outlaw the printing press, because it threatened an end run around their monopoly on hand copied books, that would not have make it right.

Bad analogy. A better analogy would be if the monks forbade anyone from printing copies of their illuminated books without permission. That would be their right.

If the owners of the printing presses wanted books to print, they would have to get permission from the church, hire their own authors, or write the books themselves.

Sometimes the law reflects good. Sometimes it reflects greed. . . . This seems to be a pretty clear case of the latter.

See my tag line.

67 posted on 12/23/2006 9:37:58 PM PST by Logophile (No one is greedier than those who expect to enjoy the work of others without paying for it.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

What games now run better/faster on 64 bit systems?


68 posted on 12/23/2006 9:48:42 PM PST by Northern Alliance
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To: Vermont Lt
Have you ever tried to get a license fee for music? I was trying to make a DVD for my daughters basketball team. It was to include 3-4 different songs. After contacting ASCAP, I found out that I would have to secure a license from each label, and in turn the attorneys of each recording artist.

In the end, it simply was too confusing. I WOULD have paid for it. I am in the copyrighted content business, and I felt it would only be right and proper. It would have been a good example for the kids and their parents.

However, getting the rights to the music for 15-20 DVDs was simply not worth the effort.

Make the fees reasonable and easy to secure, and most people will do the right thing.

Interesting post.

Some day I'll tell you about when I saw Disney wanting to charge (interdepartmentally) $100,000 to use a Disney song in an invite to a party for people (sponsors) who give vast amounts of money to Disney companies. And how including lyrics would be another $100,000. I'm talking about a party with a modest invitation list (less than 1500 people), but who provided $100 million in revenue to the company.

These fees were developed and administered by people who had nothing to do with creating the music or the lyrics. They simply owned the product and were charged (as a revenue center) with maximizing its value-- even to another department in their own company.

Needless to say, the petitioning department chose another route.

69 posted on 12/23/2006 9:55:24 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: Nailbiter

ping


70 posted on 12/23/2006 9:59:44 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: IncPen
It's the digital age, friend. Up until now the publishers had all the power and they sneered at their customers at the same time they artificially controlled supply and demand. Which is my entire point. Read Bethell's book. He makes a pretty solid case that 'intellectual property' pretty much evaporates as soon as an idea is expressed.

Yes, it is the digital age. But stealing is stealing, whether it is done digitally or not. And no amount of rationalizing about "artificially controlled supply and demand" will change that. (Are you sure you wouldn't steal music and movies if you found some that liked?)

Well, if it bothers you so much, stop producing work in digital formats. It takes alot of Xerox paper (not to mention a compelling masterpiece) to make all that effort worthwhile.

As a matter of fact, I do not allow my work to be produced digitally. I would like to: It would be more convenient for my readers. But right now I cannot risk it.

You seem to view yourself as some sort of victim.

Not at all. I am doing quite well. I intend to keep it that way.

On the contrary, you are the one complaining about the unfair advantages that the IP laws supposedly give to sneering publishers.

Might I suggest that you stop writing and simply keep your ideas inside, where noone can see them without giving you your due?

You may suggest that; but I am not likely to follow your suggestion.

At the very least, stop writing to me; I've lost interest in this, your latest novel.

Gladly. I just hope that next time you show up to complain about IP laws you have something to offer beyond in vague generalities and sweeping assertions.

71 posted on 12/23/2006 10:03:45 PM PST by Logophile (No one is greedier than those who expect to enjoy the work of others without paying for it.)
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To: Covenantor

"Keeping the Timex Sinclair doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all. ;>)"

LOL - I still have mine.

;^D

72 posted on 12/23/2006 10:22:18 PM PST by RebelTex (Help cure diseases: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548372/posts)
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To: rdb3; LibreOuMort
Mala Vista ping
73 posted on 12/23/2006 10:30:37 PM PST by sionnsar (?trad-anglican.faithweb.com?|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Logophile

So all us us must be punished. Sheer Genius. (sarcasm)


74 posted on 12/23/2006 10:36:21 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: Northern Alliance

A few games have updates for Windows 64.

Flight Sim will have a Vista upgrade that is well needed, even a very high end system can't run Flight Sim X very well.


75 posted on 12/23/2006 10:40:06 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: IncPen

What's wrong with Zune?


76 posted on 12/23/2006 10:41:24 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: rlmorel

"we have a huge amount of money invested in Microsoft workstations, servers and software, not to mention the absolute dependence our radiologic viewing (PACS) software has on Internet Explorer."

That could be big-time trouble.  Assuming that none of those workstations or servers currently have 'Premium' content on them now, I can think of several ways that it might accidentally get introduced to the network.

  1. An employee brings in a music CD so he can listen while he works.
  2. A new software program is installed that has some sample 'Premium' content which gets played during the intro 'tour' of the product - maybe MS Office (which has tons of multimedia files) or even Vista itself.
  3. An employee's or other user's typo in an url might result in visiting a website that automatically plays 'Premium' content when the page loads.
  4. A new piece of hardware is installed that has some sample 'Premium' content which gets played during the intro 'tour' of the product - a new medical imaging device, video card, sound card, monitor, connecting to external HDTV, etc.
  5. A hacker breaks into the network and uses a server or workstation to store 'Premium' content so he can have access whenever he wants but not have it traced back to him.

And those are just some of the possiblilties.

I wish you luck if your employer upgrades to Vista.

 


77 posted on 12/23/2006 10:41:50 PM PST by RebelTex (Help cure diseases: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548372/posts)
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To: Logophile

Downloading is NOT stealing, it is copyright infringement. It is NOT the same thing, no matter how many times people say so.

If I went to a book store and removed a copy of the book without paying - THAT would be stealing. I would have taken the actual physical item from the store.

Downloading is still wrong, but it is NOT theft.


78 posted on 12/23/2006 10:46:44 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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To: packrat35

Zune is a flop.

Its main feature is "squirting" via wi-fi of music from one zune to another. Two problems, the person who gets the music can only listen for 2 days, doesn't mind if the music is free to distribute. And, good luck finding another person with a Zune.

My nephew bought one, I figure its going back. They have already figured out a way to hack the squirting of files, but the Zune, in its two color config (brown or white) has a nickname, the $**tbrick.


79 posted on 12/23/2006 10:47:02 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: rlmorel

DRM is evil and needs to die. As long as DRM infects most LEGAL downloads, it only encourages ILLEGAL ones more.


80 posted on 12/23/2006 10:48:57 PM PST by packrat35 (guest worker/day worker=SlaveMart)
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