David Irving: Jews should ask themselves why they are hated

Haaretz ^ | December 23, 2006 | Amiram Barkat

[West Coast Conservative]

Holocaust denier David Irving on Friday said Jews should ask themselves why they have been hated throughout history.

"They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, 'Why have they been so hated for 3000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in country after country?', said Irving, speaking at a press conference he convened in England on Friday, a day after he was released from an Austrian prison.

Irving, who was sentenced to three years in prison for denying the Holocaust, was released last week after his appeal was granted.

Asked if he sees himself as anti-Semitic, Irving said, "No, I like to think I am not."

But immediately following his answer, Irving expressed his support for Mel Gibson's comments that "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

Irving also took pride in the success of his books and claimed that he the fortune he made from sales of his biography on World War II German General Erwin Rommel enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with cash to buy a "Nigger brown Rolls-Royce."

Irving's comments aroused great anger within Britain's Jewish community.

Lord Janner, president of the Holocaust Educational Trust, said Irving's release was "unwarranted" and that Irving's "latest comments were totally to be expected and should be totally ignored."

[hinckley buzzard]

Is it worse to deny the holocaust and to be an anti-semite or to not deny the holocaust and to be an anti-semite anyway?The worst are the non-denying antisemites. They are more deceptive and harder to spot. Holocaust denial instantly identifies one as a crackpot. The 'sweet reason' approach of hatefilled maggots like Jimmuh Cahtuh will fool the unwary.

[hlmencken3]

Funny how Christian-hatred isn't blamed on Christians believing they're the 'Chosen People'.

'Chosen People' is a common mistranslation of Exodus 19:5 "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:"

The Hebrew is 'am segulah' - a 'treasured people'.

See, for example

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=478&letter=C&search=chosen+people

[fish hawk]

I have a love/hate relationship. Love Benyamin Netanyahu/hate Liberal Democrat Jews. So sue me.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

They're also jealous of matzoh ball soup, bagels, bialys and noodle kugel. Don't even get me started about gefilte fish and kreplach. Oi vey. Not to mention Henny Youngman.

Don't forget Bob Dylan...

[secretagent]

Jews should ask themselves why they have permitted David Irving to live. He should be killed tonight.

Nope. Better to counter his false facts with real facts.

Shooting him makes him a martyr and implies you can't answer his "truth".

[Torie]

Putting aside the hyperbolic end of your question, look at the voting stats of those who have graduate school degrees. That might help.

[arthurus]

Because the Jews are, on the average, probably smarter than most of the rest of us, and because they were not allowed to own land in Medieval Europe and because they weren't forbidden by The Church to lend money at interest, they became the traders and bankers of Medieval Europe. Because they (this also applies to Christians once they got the hang of it) could trust each others' word they effectively invented Capitalism and also became the moneylenders to impecunious kings. As traders many got visibly wealthy without being rulers. All of this made them hated by the Christian and not-so-Christian ruling classes who from time to time got out of their indebtedness to Jews by inciting pogroms among the serfs and townsmen and by expelling the Jews and expropriating them. People never feel charitable toward their creditors and the less affluent have tended to resent the more affluent throughout history.
Ruling elites have always hated and resented the commercial class because they have to depend on them.

By the way, Arabs will never become great in the commercial world because of the non-Christian inability to trust each other for anything outside of the family-clan. That is an Asian phenomenon and finds its most concentrated manifestation among Moslems and particularly among Arabs.

[familyop]

"'They [Jews] should ask themselves the question, Why have they been so hated for 3000 years that there has been pogrom after pogrom in country after country?,' said Irving, speaking at a press conference he convened in England on Friday, a day after he was released from an Austrian prison."

Orthodox Jewish people already know the answer to that question. David Irving's religion foments that hatred. Many of us who are not Jewish know the same--far more of us than neo-Nazis. ...enough of us to easily get rid of the neo-Nazis, when their murder-inciting, anti-American, pro-enemy "free speech" causes another pogrom.

[RobbyS]

Not always a few. In the Roman empire, they were about ten percent of the population around the time of Christ. The Temple was the largest public building in the Roman world. The revolt in the early 2nd Century came close to toppling Roman rule in the eastern Med.

[ExTexasRedhead]

I'm glad that you do not dispute the Holocaust. The Holocaust and the murder of "16" million people including the Jews is described here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/14/60minutes/main2267927.shtml

"...Israel better take out Iran's nuke program or it will perish..." I would add that Western Europe and the US is also in peril from Iran's nuke program. Iran will not hesitate to blow us all up.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Where does one find those records?

[noname]

In Philip Wylie's book A GENERATION OF VIPERS, he states that the reason Jew's are so hated is because there is a book in which the Jews are claimed to have been designated as the "chosen people" on earth by God. Wylie said that he thinks that if they had a choice now, they might have preferred not to have been chosen.

In my opinion, some people, such as Muslims, have the mistaken belief that if they just kill all the Jews, then God will make them the new "chosen ones." I guess they think that being "chosen" will be a blessing. Who knows.

[rbg81]

My point is not to take issue with the title--rather to highlight the resentment it breeds.

[familyop]

"I have a love/hate relationship. Love Benyamin Netanyahu/hate Liberal Democrat Jews. So sue me."

What about the more than half of US Christians and the much more than half of Christians in other nations who are libertine, anti-American lefties? More than half of Italy hates us and Israel.

That will change, though, after western Europe meets the results of siding-up with the enemy.

Vatican Condemns Israel for Attacks on Lebanon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665678/posts

Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano said Pope Benedict and his aides were very worried that the developments in the Middle East risked degenerating into "a conflict with international repercussions."

"In particular, the Holy See deplores right now the attack on Lebanon, a free and sovereign nation, and assures its closeness to these people who already have suffered so much to defend their independence," he told Vatican Radio.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.

The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.

Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the modern idolatry of cultural Marxist paganism.)

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.

The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.

Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of cultural Marxist paganism.)

[rbg81]

Wonder if voting for democrats would count? Abortion, gay rights, anything liberal.

I agree. Its kind of like thinning the herd. There are too many Jews who look to the Democratic party for their spirtual guidance, rather than the scriptures. I suspect that many of their descendants will not call themselves Jews.

[Basheva]

The initial question: Why have Jews been hated through the centuries?

Several reasons:

Until the recreation of the State of Israel they have always been a minority wherever they've lived. Therefore easy prey to blame for any problem which arises. Since they are spread around more than any other people (as percentage of population) more opportunity exists for hatred.

Through the centuries they never had a home country to back them up - hence vulnerable to every whim that human nature can dream up for attack.

The hatred for Israel now is a residual of those centuries as well as a component of Islam's attack on the West. The hatred for Israel that exists in the West comes from the leftwing which hates success of any kind.

When Jews are given an opportunity to exercise freedom, they are substantially more successful as a group well beyond what their numbers would indicate. It's not easy being the holders of the largest number of Nobel Prizes, demographically speaking. Success engenders jealousy.

Instead of celebrating their success - it's damned. Much like Justice Clarence Thomas or Dr. Rice are damned rather than celebrated by the leftwing as well as the Black "leaders."

Over the centuries, time after time, Jews were invited in to various countries to help market forces uplift the general economic statis of the host country. Then when this had been achieved it was time to expel them and confiscate their property - than to pay one's debts. With no home country to come to their aid they were easy prey.

Jews are persistent. Persistent in their beliefs, persistent in their quest for quality of life and mind. That engenders jealousy.

What did that hate include besides jealousy?

They were blamed for things like the Black Death - when they too were dying in the thousands. They were blamed for the death of Jesus, when in fact for Christianity to be the religion it is - Jesus had to die - otherwise there is no resurrection. No matter who killed him...the fact is "no death - no resurrection." Christians probably would readily agree that both Jesus' life, death, and resurrection are G-d's plan....why blame anyone for carrying out that plan - be they Romans or Jews or Martians? But ignorance doesn't reason this out and strikes out in blind hatred.

Anyone who is a minority....

or worse than that a distinct minority

and even worse a successful minority..

is a prime target for hatred.

But is the initial premise true? Are Jews universally hated? Not really. Jews lived for over 3000 years in India. Tolerant India had no problem with Jews - never hated them, never killed them, and found them to be good neighbors.

China was home to Jews for over a thousand yeas. China was a tolerant host and likewise had no problem...never harmed their Jewish citizens, and lived well with them.

Is it an accident that both India and China have ancient cultures...sure and confident in their own identities and therefore not threatened by a successful minority? In fact both India and China appreciated the unique and ancient culture that Jews represented.

So maybe the answer to the question "Why are the Jews hated?" Should be: Why were the countries who killed them in their millions so hateful?

[hinckley buzzard]

American Jews are as American as apple pie, and identify themselves as American, first and foremost

I think there are some Jews who worry about the very success of assimilation. Too American, not Jewish enough, intermarrying, secularizing, etc. BTW it is also true that Jews were largely and successfully assimilated into the German community in the 1930's. One reason they responded slowly and incredulously to the gathering storm of nazism.

Nevertheless, one reason for the history of "jew-hatred," even though it may not be unique, may be this: that to the degree that the Jewish community retains an identifiable measure of separateness, they will be easy to mark as what the paperback sociologists like to call "the Other," a target for the projection of the host society's ills.

[LibWhacker]

...enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with cash to buy a "Nigger brown Rolls-Royce."

Jews shouldn't ask why they are hated, rather the whole world should ask why it tolerates people who are so full of hatred for everyone else on the planet who doesn't share their particular skin color, or religion, or eye color -- and then get rid of them!