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To: don-o; Sir Francis Dashwood; unionblue83; Tolsti; houeto; Lurker
Prohibitions against the direct and deliberate killing of civilians, or indiscriminate targeting of non-combatants, are stated clearly in the U.S. Army Field Manual, the UCMJ, numerous U.S. policy statements, the principles of the Nuremberg Tribunals, and international law. To intentionally kill civilians is a war crime. Furthermore, these principles are rooted in Biblical law, e.g. "Thou shalt not kill (commit murder)," which, while not a pacifist principle, entails the requirement that lethal power must be targeted only against people guilty of crime and aggression,and not their families, neighbors, and friends.

Only God is the Lord and Giver of Life: He can authorize when it can be taken, and He can prohibit the taking of it. He says:

Deuteronomy 19:10
Innocent blood must not be shed

Proverbs 6:16-17
These .. things doth the LORD hate: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood

Isaiah 59:2-7
Your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood..[you] make haste to shed innocent blood

Jeremiah 7:6
Oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood ...

Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood.

Moreover, merely beinging to a false religion (Islam) or going on a Hajj doesn't make a person guilty of a capital crime. Crime is something you do, not merely something you think. Destroying a nuclear installation (which could well be a justified action) is not the same as murdering families on pilgrimage. And a person who is not in combat is not a combatant. Surely you know that.

You are not a Catholic, but for the sake of Catholics who might be reading this exchange, I want to add that the Catechism of the Catholic Church gives strong expression to the American and Judeo-Christian law cited above:

2313 Non-combatants, wounded soldiers, and prisoners must be respected and treated humanely.

Actions deliberately contrary to the law of nations and to its universal principles are crimes, as are the orders that command such actions. Blind obedience does not suffice to excuse those who carry them out. Thus the extermination of a people, nation, or ethnic minority must be condemned as a mortal sin. One is morally bound to resist orders that command genocide.

2314 "Every act of war directed to the indiscriminate destruction of whole cities or vast areas with their inhabitants is a crime against God and man, which merits firm and unequivocal condemnation."

41 posted on 12/22/2006 11:11:10 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Actions deliberately contrary to the law of nations and to its universal principles are crimes, as are the orders that command such actions.

Very succinct description of the workings of islam. It is a criminal enterprise and must be punished (wiped out).

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

51 posted on 12/22/2006 12:37:30 PM PST by houeto (Jacob's enemy is the revitalized end-time beast!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Prohibitions against the direct and deliberate killing of civilians, or indiscriminate targeting of non-combatants

Their 'holy book' commands them all to be 'holy warriors'.

There are no civilians. Once again, you haven't educated yourself on the mindset of the enemy. Now if you want to risk your life that's fine. But you've no right to gamble with mine.

L

53 posted on 12/22/2006 1:40:20 PM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Prohibitions ... are stated clearly in... international law.

There is no international law! There is also nobody to enforce it, that is more than obvious...

No law prevents any military action...

The deployment of massively destructive weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki were at the sole discretion of the U.S. president.

The same is true today. The War Powers Act is still a valid act of Congress, it has never been repealed...

57 posted on 12/22/2006 5:15:34 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

So do you agree then that the US is a war criminal state for bombing cities in WW2?

Do you even understand strategic warfare? The concept of breaking an enemy's will to fight? That's what we use (or are supposed to if you want to win) in a war.

I dunno what childish version of war you think reality has, but it's not your fantasies.


63 posted on 12/22/2006 10:42:05 PM PST by Tolsti
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