Posted on 12/21/2006 5:36:38 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican
If you think rasPUTIN is a capitalist then you do not understand capitalism. There was much more chance of all Russians benefitting from capitalism eventually than there will ever be with Putin in charge. He is a control freak and the wheels of Russia will grind to a halt with him in charge. But this is what the Russkies wanted rather than have someone possibly get rich and it wasn't them. Idiots!!
Fixed that for you-no charge.
L
It is russian way of capitalism thievery.
Fixed that for you-no charge.==
To return to country her own treasure is thievery?:) Those Shell guys who signed with Russia nonprofitable for her contrcat are knights?:)
If you think rasPUTIN is a capitalist then you do not understand capitalism. There was much more chance of all Russians benefitting from capitalism eventually than there will ever be with Putin in charge. ==
The capitalism is just profiteering youself on account of everyone else. Those guys from BP and Shell when signed with Russia unprofitable for her contract and grabbed her treasure thought about her best interests? I do not beleive it, sorry:).
If they weren't so greedy maybe today events turned better for them. After all they still pocess 50% but I hope not for long.
You may think that keeping all that oil in the ground for all Russians to benefit from is a good idea, but it will not happen. Putin and the boys will see the only profits from it and the Russian people will all be poor together in the bread lines. You can't take that oil with you when you die.
See this is the problem with Russia in a nutshell. Your government signed a contract to bring this 'treasure' out of the ground. You couldn't do it yourselves or you wouldn't have gotten Shell and BP involved.
So the Russian government, such as it is, negotiated terms for the assistance in retrieving the 'treasure'. Now once the infrastructure is in place to start turning this oil into cash you renege on the deal in effect stealing from the two companies you contracted with.
That isn't capitalism. It's theft.
Those Shell guys who signed with Russia nonprofitable for her contrcat are knights?:)
They aren't 'knights' they're businessmen. They expect their contracts to be honored. That's something that civlized countries do. They honor their contracts.
It's really a shame. I had such high hopes for your country. Now your government has shown that you're still not yet fit to join the civilized world. Maybe in another century or so you'll learn.
L
They aren't 'knights' they're businessmen. They expect their contracts to be honored. That's something that civlized countries do. They honor their contracts.
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I had the impression that everywhere in the world the businessmen honor ONLY contract which ar eprofitable for them. Else they are just plain stupid. Russia isn't exclusion.
Those businessnmen of yours "negociated" but just hands wringled is very profitable contract for themselves but they stupidly think that if they wringled such contract then it is for ever?:) Seems like they are just plain stupid.
If they were not then they tried to make it profitable for EVERY side of contract not for only them. They shouldn't use the difficulties of one side to dictate her the unprofiable conditions because the times change and maybe that one side later can do better and will be extremely unsatified.
But seems like such obvious thing do not get to them and you too.
This is precisely why your country is not yet ready to join the civilized world.
L
had the impression that everywhere in the world the businessmen honor ONLY contract which ar eprofitable for them
This is precisely why your country is not yet ready to join the civilized world.==
Again if those businessmen tried to make it profitable for both sides not for only them then maybe it won't be that way today. But those "civilized" businessmen are too greedy for that.
Pity.
L
Long before there were communists, there were Russians.
I guess we'll try again in another century or so and see if you're ready then....==
Try it in next mullenium:). Seriously I just try to explain it that Russia will never abide the contract which isn't profitable for her. Such contract if ever Russia signed it costs not more then piece of paper.
Those who try to extort from Russia the profit in her expenses will be disappointed. It is the principle.
In case of that Sakhalin-2 affairs I think that if those Shell and BP didn't get so lucky with extorting from Russia 10 years ago such unprofitable for her contract then they may feel much luckier today. I think the most principle of any business especially if you want it continues is the MUTUAL profitnees but for only one side.
It's theft.
L
Did Shell and BP employ any Russians in these endeavors or did they only employ their own people? If they employed any Russians then they were benefitting your country and your economy whether you want to believe that or not.
[Guess the free world needs constant reminders...]
First, you would have to teach the free world the value of the American Constitution and the bill of rights and if you were smart enough, pull the plug on the communist left government school system that drugs boys on ritilin, teaches homo sexual education is a civil right, teaches children that George Washington was a fool and Bill and Hillary Clinton are "good people who care about you", etc. etc. etc.
America is doomed to repeat history and is in decline and the ignorant politicians, communist left and weak willed delusional right, are getting worse and worse and will not be able to stop the one world order that is developing before our eyes and will destroy our freedoms and liberties as they already are. The oil fields we have as well as nuclear energy will be rendered unusable by the pols and the communist left and America will decline even further. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, but sin is a reproach to any people. Politicians of both dems and pubs are reprobates and will destroy this country from within by making our children fools in the communist government Godless school systems as they have been doing for a century now. So be it, the people have voted. As for me and my house, we believe the Lord Jesus Christ and trust in him only to deliver us from this present evil and untoward generation of athiests and fools.
I Corinthians 1:
17. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Did Shell and BP employ any Russians in these endeavors or did they only employ their own people? If they employed any Russians then they were benefitting your country and your economy whether you want to believe that or not.==
They benefited Russian economy for penny for each dollar they sucked away. You simply do not understand. Shell and BP wanted that thier unprofitable for Russia contract which they distorted in 1990th went forever. I think that they should not be such greedy and tried to make it profitable for Russia too. But they didn't. SO Russia today just took hers. No contract will fulfill unless both sides are profitable. It is capitalism.
I don't believe that the Russians signed a contract which allowed the oil companies to benefit 99% and Russia 1%. If they did, that was quite stupid, but still a contract. Now, what you have is the oil fields dropping in production and losing money which hurts Russians also. As we know here, anything run by the government is much less efficient than when it is run by people trying to earn a living. Probably a hard concept to understand, but it is the most efficient way of doing anythging.
I remember when I worked for Rockwell we negotiated an "exclusive" contract to market the satellite launch services of one of their rockets. After Rockwell spent millions on marketing a customer finally showed up. The Ukranians promptly bypassed Rockwell and captured the extra profit. One of our execs was exasperated and pointed to the word "exclusive" in the contract. "But "exclusive" does not mean the same thing in Ukranian" was the innocent reply. I'm waiting for the Chicoms to double cross all of the foolish investors who have built up their economy.
"The capitalism is just profiteering youself on account of everyone else. Those guys from BP and Shell when signed with Russia unprofitable for her contract and grabbed her treasure thought about her best interests? I do not beleive it, sorry:).
If they weren't so greedy maybe today events turned better for them. After all they still pocess 50% but I hope not for long."
Am I to surmise from this statement that if it hadn't been for BP and Shell taking advantage of poor Russia that Putin would not have taken the democracy option off the table? So all those free elections that were happening in Russia are now gone because of two oil companies?
I don't know what the Russian phrase for BS is, but that is what that statement is!
Just wait till China does ths.
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