The Mortgage Bust Goes On

Proverbs 22- 7.

The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower becomes the lender's slave.

Hold fast to the Bible as the sheet anchor of your liberties; write its precepts on your hearts and practice them in your lives. To the influence of this Book we are indebted for the progress made, and to this we must look as our guide in the future. - Ulysses S. Grant

A wise person is hungry for truth, while the fool feeds on trash. - Proverbs 15:14

Teach your children to choose the right path, and when they are older, they will remain upon it.- Proverbs 22:6

Wisdom is a tree of life to those who embrace her; happy are those who hold her tightly. - Proverbs 3:18

The sluggard does not plow after the season, so he begs during the harvest and has nothing. - Proverbs 20:4

No comment? Is this good news or bad news? Is the glass half full or....

The glass is half full if you've been expecting this. The glass is half empty if you recently bought in most areas and desire equity in the next few years. Some areas will be hit harder than others.

'BTW, the Center for Responsible Lending is chockfull of lefties and poverty pimps. "

Thank you. When I read that this was a nonpartisan group, the name itself sent up my spidey sensors.

You're right, and here's an example:

Two borrowers:

First borrower: He's a subprime guy because he went bankrupt 2 years ago. Made some mistakes, learned from them, and since then, he's reestablished a few small accounts, uses, but does not abuse, his new credit cards, and has less than $800 in new debt since then but his credit limits total $5000 (this is relevent because it shows he hasn't maxed out his new credit cards.) Credit score is 611 (for A-paper loans you need generally a 620 and 4 years out of bankruptcy,) he makes $4000 a month gross (about $2500 take home for sake of argument) and wants to purchase an $85,000 home, putting 5% down with money he's saved since re-establishing himself. His new payment will be about $650 with insurance and taxes, and after putting the down payment he'll still have cash in the bank. His rent has been on time for the last 2 years as well.

Second guy, 588 credit score, no bankruptcy but charge-off accounts out the wazoo and nothing ever paid on time, all the time. No money to put down, makes $3000 a month, $300 in monthly debts now and buying a $140,000 home. He QUALIFIES for the loan but his $1300 payment on his income will be much more risky plus the fact he doesn't exactly have a record of being timely on finances.

Chances are, the first guy will do just fine. The second guy will have big problems.

Read about lenders throughout the history of mankind. I think you would come around to my way of thinking. In Biblical days, Jewish lenders did not hesitate to make loans to fellow Jews knowing that the person could never be able to repay it. Why make the bad loan? The lender determined that the person and his familly if sold off as slaves (as mandated by law) if the loan was defaulted was worth more than the defaulted loan. The lenders did not hesitate to take advantage of the consumers' foolishness. Not everyone took the loan, but enough did to make the practice profitable. It was one of the reasons why God let the Babylonians destroy Israel and carry her people off to captivity. I see this happening today (except for the slavery part) when major banks try to entice college students to apply for credit cards even when they do not have a job and are still in school. Loans products that were used rarely for problem applicants are now being used as mainstream products for people who cannot afford to buy a home in the first place. I see ethical problems coming out of the financial institutions, and if government is not the institution to rein in these practices, do you advocate an irate realative entering these bank offices with guns blazing and hostage taking??????

See post 38.

I'm not a "sky is falling" type on this issue, but I do concede there are some problems.

A while back on one of the talk shows they had an investment advisor on from IIRC like Money.com or somesuch.

They were talking about savings rates in America. This fellow said SEVENTY PERCENT of Americans are LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

Now the figure seemed high to me. But even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and call it fifty percent, thats still an astounding amount. And I'm guessing a great many of these folks have mortgages.

The slightest burp in the economy could have some interesting effects.

Anybody ever hear of the Civilian Conservation Corps?

This article is kind of complicated for a boy living with his mother isn't it?

Frankly, Barney & Buddies are of the party that have no problems to helping themselves to all 3 of your back pockets.

(Sorry....couldn't resist).

IMHO, after 9/11 and onset of the recession, the feds and Congress and the banking industry contrived the reduction in the prime lending rate, setup for sub-prime loans, etc., to in a sense --- keep the economy going with the housing / lending industry as the temporary anchor.

Lot's of privileged beforehand knowledge folk have made a ton of cash in the ocrhestrated 'Housing Boom / Bubble / BS'. Part of the reasons why 'W' and Congress have done nothing to ebb the flow of illegals into this country for the cause of cheap construction labor while in the meantime, needing a place to live.

Now, inflation has come upon the country in a series hugh stunning way. People now have to choose heat and food over beebers.

How did he do that with an inverted yield curve?

Two ways. First, lower bank reserve requirements (now less than 1%). Second, buying Treasury bills to the tune of $2 billion last week alone.

Total bank credit creation zoomed up 500% in October !

I am surprised that the dollar has not fallen more given the magnitude of the stimulation.

BUMP

Here's a classichttp://bubbletracking.blogspot.com/2006/12/4closure-ranch-part-v-flip-gone-flop.html

4Closure Ranch Part V: Flip Gone Flop in 5 Short Months

This one has it all, folks. New construction flip, zero down/100% financing, subprime lending, first payment mortgage default, a firm commitment to the 'False Drop Theory,' and a flashy Cadillac Escalade parked out front.

10219 Camino San Thomas is a 3,729 sqft home in the new Travata development of 4S Ranch purchased 6/23/06 for $1.106 million. Financing courtesy of WMC Mortgage using their "SuperSize My 80/20 Combo" jumbo loan package with a $885,000 first and a $221,000 second.

Fast forward 5 months to 11/28/06, the notice of default is sealed and delivered. What have we learned about NOD's filed less than 8-9 months after the loan origination? First payment mortgage default until proven otherwise.

Our flipper has not given up hope, however. Since 8/23/06, our flipper has been entertaining offers at $1.256 million. How are homes in the rest of 4S Ranch doing? Well, John Laing Homes is offering a 3,274 sqft home for $735,824. That's $225/sqft vs. the $337/sqft that our flipper friend is hoping for. What do you think about our flipper friend's chances? Think Mr. Smiar's 'False Drop Brigade' will come to the rescue?

Amen?!!! Funny how many modern things are Biblical.

as mandated by law

BINGO!!!!!

Corporations can't do squat to a borrower but send demand letters. Only government action can "enslave" the borrower, via the judicial process (which has the legitimate function of enforcing contracts through a system of civil courts). But it is the government, not the lender, that is the danger.

Your Proverbs quote was a warning not to be a borrower. Good advice as usual.

I'm sure you are also aware of the warnings in Samuel regarding the much larger dangers of government when folks begged for a king.

Cut the Ad Hominem crap out. If you can't discuss the issues of the thread, go somewhere else.

Not trying to argue, but to you know how much of the $10 Trillion is now depreciating back down ? Just curious ?

Assuming the latest statitics that show homes have depreciated 3.7% on a national level, that would translate to about 1.8 Trillion.

YUP....The CCC built a lot of roads and trails into the national parks, etc. back in the 1930's

Chase bank is going to get hammered. They have been a huge buyer of subprime mortgages.

I don't have much sympathy for those guys.

I do, however, have much respect for those who buy delapitated homes, use materials, skill, and good old-fashioned elbow grease, and legitimately and fully repair them to resell at a profit.

Two different animals.

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Well, their people involved are supposed to be professionals - thus one would think that they knew what they were stepping into. Chase as a whole has enough expertise to be stuck with the blame.