It's the old Issac and Ishmael thing. Why the hell don't we factor this into our middle east policy of creating representative government? 
Posted on 12/18/2006 5:49:10 PM PST by SJackson
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Good article.
I remember being at the British Museum a number of years ago and coming across tablets that represented the correspondence between the Pharaoh and his ambassador to what was later to become Israel. The ambassador wrote, (and here I'm paraphrasing a little, of course) "The Habiru hate the Arabs and the Arabs hate the Habiru, they're always fighting and I can't get them to stop. This is hopeless. I'm giving up and coming home." Some things never change.
Interesting. I enjoy reading articles like this one.
Herodotus had referred to a part of Syria as "Palaistine" in the 5th century (v.u.Z.), possibly meaning a smaller area than the territory included in the British mandate in 1947. Hadrian was a philhellene and may have picked up the name from Herodotus.
It's the old Issac and Ishmael thing. Why the hell don't we factor this into our middle east policy of creating representative government?
In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit.
For now, I think their Caesar figurehead is a mad leprechaun on Fox News. ...or Buchanan, or Novak. Alright, their are too many to count. Maybe they're working from cells (groups with no obvious heirarchy) for now.
So who are the romans nowdays? Italians? Catholics? WHat?
...all who would try to ban public display of a menorah, IMO.
I think of "Rome" as the spirit and religion of ancient Rome. It's not only Catholic, and not all Catholics are on the bandwagon to destroy Judaism. Most of my dad's family was Catholic. A few years ago, an ex-relative who is a "holy roller" told me that "the Jews are going to hell" (very contradictory to her friendlier comments of the 1960s). That, after a few years of my study into the history of my former religion (including re-reading the "New Testament") and along with the rise in frequency of public comments against Judaism since the "Passion" play, prompted me to leave my former religion behind. I was a Southern Baptist for most of life, but thanks to Mel, Buchanan, Novak, some comments from television preachers against Jewish people over the past few years, a few relatives, our neighbors, and much study of the history of religion in Rome and Europe, I am no longer an xian. There's no way that I'll go back. I even renounced my boyo-hood.
Go ahead. Call me a "bigot." Many others here have.
"Bigot" aint even close to what I was thinking.
More like lost, confused, without a clue...
Christianity as I know it is not anti jew. Quite the opposite. The christianity I know is fiercely pro jew. THey (jews) are literally gods people as I understand the bible. Their only flaw being that they failed to recognize the savior for who he was. I was taught that gods chosen people will realize their mistake at the second coming and then convert to christianity and be saved.
According to what I've been taught, the proof that they are gods favorite is that they and their culture has survived to this day.
The Jews acknowledge one God only, and conceive of Him by the mind alone, condemning as impious all who, with perishable materials, wrought into the human shape, form representations of the Deity. That Being, they say, is above all, and everlasting, neither susceptible of likeness nor subject to decay. In consequence, they allow no resemblance of Him in their city, much less in their temples. In this way, they do not flatter their kings, nor show their respect for their Caesars.
That above passage, by the way, explains the main schism between Judaism and Christianity as well.
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Matthew 22
15Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"
21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
22When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.
Named for a local Bedouin tribe, the Tel El-Amarna tablets (which can now be found mostly in the Berlin and British Museums) were mostly the official correspondence between Pharaoh Amenhotep IV - Akhenaten - and his governors and vassals from places such as Canaan, Syria, Babylonia, etc. They date mostly from around 1380 BCE and were written in Akkadian, the language of diplomacy of the era... Now, guess what repeatedly comes out in this official correspondence between Pharaoh and his vassals in Canaan and the surrounding areas? Complaints about invasions of the Habiru, the Hebrews. While some scholars debate the details, most agree that the time - with even newer confirmations by excavations in Jericho - fits into the period of Joshua's conquests of Canaan. Like many other accounts in the Hebrew Bible, we indeed have good supporting evidence from elsewhere to support the Jews' own version of these events. And what makes it even better is that this often comes from those viewing the events from the "other side" of the picture. This is no small point. Corroboration is very important to any serious scholar. Not many religious texts can match the corroboration found for those of the Jews.This topic, for obvious reasons.
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The period being discussed is a period in which there was a political vacuum both in Egypt (Ahhenaten had disrupted the state religion by basically firing all the priests except for those of Aten, the sun god, and there was literally turmoil in Egypt) and Babylon. In this vacuum, the lands between Babylon and Egypt could have a certain degree of autonomy. It is into this vacuum that the nascent Kingdom of Israel arose a flourished for a time.
The Amarna letters are what survives of the diplomatic archive of Amenhotep III, and his son Amenhotep IV, better known as Akhenaten. Hatshepsut (one of the predecessors during the 18th Dynasty) refers in her account of her trip to Punt to an official from the time of Solomon, successor to David. The term "Habiru" ("Apiru") doesn't refer to the Hebrews. Some recent authors have tried to make the early Kingdom synchronize with the Amarna period; the conventional pseudochronology doesn't work in any case.
The term "Habiru" ("Apiru") doesn't refer to the Hebrews.
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Since this, if true, completely destroys the thrust of the article, you're kind of like obliged to give some evidence for your assertion.
I mean what's an outsider to think when one person says tis so based on such and such evidence and another says tis not so based on no evidence.
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