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To: cherry
the Woody Vann guy on Greta last night spoke as if there is no legal way the judge can dethrone Nifog or dismiss this case, historically....

Vann is a very slow very unimaginative guy. A creative judge might be able to do a lot to derail this case. For example a real judge might have:

1. held Nifong in contempt and jailed him for laughing and smirking while the defense lawyers we speaking in the early hearings. I don't know how long a judge can hold someone in NC on contempt. But if a Judge in this case did that to Nifong every time he misbehaved in court, I wonder just how long it would take Nifong to drop these charges?

2. held a supression hearing by now and thrown out the ID. [BTW, this is a separate oppourtunity to hold Nifong in contempt and putting him in jail for lying to the court to get that order.]

3. held a hearing cocerning whether or not Nifong had spoken to Mangum about her allegation. This would be another opportunity to throw Nifong in jail for contempt for lying to the court.

If every few days the Judge had a hearing to establish that Nifong was in contempt and sent him back to jail each time, I bet Nifong would get the hint real quickly.

The judges in the case have greatly fallen down in their duty to protect the NC criminal justice system. NC proceedures are not great for doing it, but a creative judge could find a way to get the message to Nifong that he is not the ruler of the world.
122 posted on 12/19/2006 7:44:07 AM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

I have mentioned to you in the last couple days that the Meehan thing makes a case for obstruction of justice and appears to be actual criminal conduct, that an extensive investigation should be conducted and that we then would hear the legal community, specifically former prosecutors, begin to speak of obstruction charges. I was wrong. Of all people, Hammer brought it up on Greta's show last night. He said Nifong's conduct of withholding the full results was outrageous, ILLEGAL, and enough to remove him from the case. A few minutes later, in total disgust, he said that between the DNA results issue and the line-up issues (as to Nifong telling the police to violate their own policies), it's looking like Nifong was trying to obstruct justice and that the whole thing is just outrageous.

I wasn't pointing this out to you as a defense of Hammer, but rather that chatter among your "insiders" about actual criminal charges against Liefong have been started (in a small way) by Hammer, of all people.


131 posted on 12/19/2006 1:28:29 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: JLS

I don't think Vann is slow. I don't know about unimaginative. When he was talking on Greta last night (Greta wasn't there - a non-lawyer, Martha, sat in for her) he was trying to answer Martha's question by explaining the mechanisms in their criminal procedure by which the current motions as to the line-up, the DNA debacle and the motion to preclude Mangum from identifying the suspects in court would lead to the unraveling of the case - die of its own lack of substantive evidence, and that a judge cannot just fismiss the case on a simple motion to dismiss. He was trying to give a legal explanation to her answer, but she wasn't getting it at all. Her follow-up questions made that clear. There was no context in which he would have had an opportunity to go on about what the judge or the defense could further do creatively to dump the case because he wasn't asked an open question. It was a technical question that Martha asked (even though she probably didn't realize it was a technical question).

Anyway, Vann said he just cannot imagine that the judge won't throw out the line-up identification and it's quite possible he won't allow the in-court identification. If that happens, he said, Nifong would have to dismiss. Vann also said that it isn't likely the judge would remove Nifong from the case, and that doesn't surprise me, given NC's prosecutorial structure established by law.

I think it's inaccurate to consider him slow or that he's not seeing what Liefong is doing. Rather, he's reflecting what's possible or not under NC criminal procedure law which, as I've said before, is a scary thing in itself and often incomprehensible by other standards we see in other states. He also explains how NC courts have handled matters at issue in this case in the past.


134 posted on 12/19/2006 1:52:24 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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