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To: GodGunsGuts; Mase
Mase's deceptive charts don't prove whether Americans are better off now than they were back in the 1970s. First of all, Mase's charts compare FAMILY income. The problem with his charts are manifold. The biggest of which is the growing number of American families that have been forced to become two income families just to make ends meet. For instance, there are 11 times as many working married women with children under 6 years of age. If the goal of Mase's chart is to determine if American's are better off today than in previous generations, then this renders Mase's deceptive stats meaningless:

I agree that one must be very careful about reading too much into a small sampling of data. For example, Mase's charts in post #44 imply that wages have been going up. However, they look at just two real income levels, $50K and $75K, both of which are above the median wage. In addition, they are looking at family income, not individual income. On the other hand, the following graph contains U.S. Census data that shows that the real median income of full-time, year-round male workers has been stagnant since 1973:

The actual numbers and sources are at http://home.att.net/~rdavis2/ftyrinc.html. Then the following graph from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that the real average hourly wage of production workers is well below its 1973 high:

The actual numbers and sources are at http://home.att.net/~rdavis2//jobs.html.

238 posted on 12/18/2006 11:38:33 PM PST by remember
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To: remember; GodGunsGuts
U.S. Census data that shows that the real median income of full-time, year-round male workers has been stagnant since 1973:

I saw an article recently where Paul Krugman came to the same conclusion. He didn't bother to explain how it is, 33 years later, that we're able to afford much larger homes with all sorts of upgrades our parents never dreamed of. He also didn't explain how it is that we have more cars, appliances, vacations, recreation vehicles, clothing, meals out, wealth etc. then we did in 1973. I guess all that wealth is just a figment of our imagination since the real median incomes of male workers hasn't increased since 1973.

Alan Reynolds took Krugman to task on this nonsense in an article called Unreal Wages.

Like me, Reynolds believes that real consumption per capita is a better measure of our increased living standards. Since 1973, he says our real consumption per capita has doubled. How can it double if our real per-capita wages aren't increasing?

Brian Westbury also addresses the doomers in his aptly titled article Pouting Pundits of Pessimism.

I've previoulsy linked you to Stephen Moore's article on income and wealth growth in this country since 1967. His findings should be repeated here:

No way all this good news is possible if per-capita income for men, or any other demographic for that matter, has remained stagnant since 1973. For you to be right, all these guys have to be wrong, the household and median wealth numbers have to be fraudulent and all those cars, houses and toys we own today, along with the $4 trillion in capitals gains we've cashed in since 1997, have to be a cruel hoax being inflicted upon us by our overactive imaginations.

247 posted on 12/19/2006 10:04:36 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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