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Happy Beethoven's Birthday!! -- LIVE THREAD [Well, maybe not . . .]
Beethoven.com ^ | 12/16/06

Posted on 12/16/2006 10:57:05 AM PST by ZGuy

Happy Holiday Music Weekend! Hear the music of Mozart this weekend on Beethoven Radio!


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To: sitetest

well..ok..just so long as they can't do that with my mortgage payment.


21 posted on 12/16/2006 11:59:52 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: americanbychoice2
I saw it and hated it. Thanks to the hard work of Maynard Solomon, we now know that Beethoven's Immortal Beloved was Antonia Brentano, the wife of a diplomat from one of the Italian city states.

I would recommend Paul Morrisey's "Beethoven's Nephew" from 1986. It's much darker, and it gives a glimpse into the mind of a genius who lacked almost all social skills.

22 posted on 12/16/2006 12:08:05 PM PST by Publius (A = A)
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To: Publius

Beethoven's perceived lack of social skills was a result of his profound hearing loss in his late 20's. I know first hand about this having lost much of my hearing in my early 40's. Hear are some of his writings about his hearing loss which are well known by hearing loss sufferers.

"Forgive me when you see me draw back when I would have gladly mingled with you. My misfortune is double painful to me because I am bound to be misunderstood; for me there can be no relaxation with my fellow men, not refined conversations, no mutual exchange of ideas. I must live almost alone, like one who has been banished. I can mix with society only as much as true necessity demands. If I approach near to people a hot terror seizes upon me, and I fear being exposed to the danger that my condition might be noticed."

"Oh you men who think or say that I am malevolent, stubborn, or misanthropic, how greatly do you wrong me. You do not know the secret cause which makes me seem that way to you. Oh how harshly was I flung back by the double sad experience of my bad hearing."

"Yet it was impossible for me to say to people, 'speak louder, shout, for I am deaf.' Ah, how could I possibly admit an infirmity in the one sense which ought to be more perfect in me than others, a sense which I once possessed in the highest perfection, a perfection such as few in my profession enjoy or ever have enjoyed."


23 posted on 12/16/2006 12:30:33 PM PST by crymeariver (Good news...in a way)
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To: ZGuy

Herbert von Karajan does a good Beethoven


24 posted on 12/16/2006 12:37:07 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: SamAdams76

On your list of great composers who I agree starting with Bach but where is Brahams? What a wonderful sound.


25 posted on 12/16/2006 12:39:38 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: SoCalPol

I heard Andre Watts play a full version of Moonlight Sonata several years ago, and his performance of its rapid fire 3rd Movement was simply awesome.


26 posted on 12/16/2006 1:05:20 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: ZGuy

Ode to Joy

My favorite.


27 posted on 12/16/2006 1:15:16 PM PST by IM2MAD
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Watts is a wonderful pianist.
I remember when he was a kid and played with the NY Philharmonic, with Leonard Bernstein when he did the young peoples concerts on TV


28 posted on 12/16/2006 1:20:02 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: SamAdams76

We do have many great composers today as well. The definition of what makes one a great composer has changed, and there's a glut of music, recordings, mediocrity, bull, and other distractions that obscure the true geniuses of the 20th-21st century.

Talent is not limited to the past.

Try the composer John Tavener from the UK.


29 posted on 12/16/2006 1:23:50 PM PST by aristotleman
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To: SamAdams76
I always wonder, if those 3 ( J.S. Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven ) had the technology in music of today, would their music be better or worse ?
30 posted on 12/16/2006 1:24:19 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Publius
The consensus about Beethoven's tempi is that he chose them rather haphazardly. The metronome was a new invention, and it is thought that he may have exaggerated or even made errors in calculating the beat. In fact, he had unrealistic expectations of performers, if we are to be absolutely loyal to his instructions. Sometimes, they are too fast, sometimes too slow according to harmonic rhythm, and standard practice. Norrington is so true to them, and maybe pushes the authenticity a bit too far for my taste.
31 posted on 12/16/2006 1:32:33 PM PST by aristotleman
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Their music would be very "today" -avant garde, experimental and unpalatable to the untrained ear.


32 posted on 12/16/2006 1:33:25 PM PST by aristotleman
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To: ZGuy

33 posted on 12/16/2006 1:38:11 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: COBOL2Java
It's interesting you'd pick Horowitz and Rubinstein, neither of which were known as great Beethoven players. Rubinstein is great in the Waldstein though. Its' heroic aesthetic suited his clear and forthright style.
34 posted on 12/16/2006 1:55:09 PM PST by Borges
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To: aristotleman

I guess, in their time, it was in a more pure form.


35 posted on 12/16/2006 1:58:23 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ZGuy

Today is also my oldest son's birthday.

I did not name him Ludwig :-)


36 posted on 12/16/2006 2:00:38 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: aristotleman

Have you ever heard Bachs concerto for 2 violins in d ( Vivace ) ? great song.


37 posted on 12/16/2006 2:04:29 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Publius

I think it's just a matter of the harmonic vocabulary being exhausted. There are only so many notes and chords in the diatonic scale. Even in the late 19th century people were expecting tonal music to eventually dissapear. Composers had to keep piling up more and more chromatic chords to refresh the ear. Tristan and Isolde was the beginning of the end of tonal music.


38 posted on 12/16/2006 2:10:50 PM PST by Borges
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To: aristotleman

http://www.amazon.com/J-S-Bach-Concertos-Schneider/dp/B0000025TZ


39 posted on 12/16/2006 2:12:23 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: aristotleman

Concerto for 2 Violins in D minor BMW 1043: Vivace


40 posted on 12/16/2006 2:16:27 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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